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This weeks article is about the new Australian study that has found that ibuprofen (Nurofen etc.) can be linked to a higher rate of miscarriage, as well as other side effects. What do you all think?
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"New Zealand Pharmaceutical Society spokesman Euan Galloway said the research showed the importance of patients checking with their pharmacist before self-medicating, to ensure the medicine was right for them."

I think that ibuprofen is fine to be sold in supermarkets etc. People that don't follow the advice of pharmacists or refuse to get advice while pregnant are the ones that are going to be taking far more than ibuprofen anyway. One of the first things I was told when I found out I was pregnant was that I shouldn't be talking anything more than paracetamol and nurofen was a no-go. Up until then I had been taking Nurofen-Plus!

Providing people are made aware that ibuprofen is not safe during pregnancy then I am sure that people will use their judgement when taking it.

As far as legal risk to the company goes, I'm pretty sure being able to prove that ibuprofen causes any particular miscarriage is slim to none.
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I can't take ibrufen based products due to an existing blood disorder... it scares me that a DOCTOR I went to see about a sore knee wanted to prescribe me some even though I'd told him about my condititon!

I've learnt what I can and can't take through research. Not everyone is as careful as me though - I once met someone else with the same condition, and stopped her before she took Nurofen for a headache. If there are 7 warnings on a pack, surely that means that a fair chunk of the population shouldn't be taking it?
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I wonder if limiting it to Pharmacy only is enough? Maybe it should be prescription only? Or at least you haveto ask the pharmacist to get it, that way they can give you all the warnings.
Sounds like a pain in the butt, but some people don't read the directions and put themselves at risk.
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My friend and I were discussing this article after I told her about it. She said that maybe taking it back to ask the pharmacist might be best, as she doesn't read the box anymore and wouldn't necessarily have heard about the miscarriage risk. Heidi pointed out to me that something that is as readily available as Nurofen people assume is safe. She thinks of it as "just a slightly stronger Panadol" and wouldn't have realised the difference in active ingredients if we hadn't started this discussion. (So Thanks, Emma!)
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Heidi and I were just talking further, and we were wondering... do you think it's possible that if a woman took an ibrufen-based product in the early stages of pregnancy (ie, before she knew she was pregnant) it could be a contributing factor to a miscarriage before 6 weeks?
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I don't know? The foetus doesn't implant until around 6 weeks, so anything before then I guess it's hard to say. Interesting question tho... I guess it's the same as the listeria risk before you find out you are preg - could you get listeria at say 4 weeks preg and not know and miscarry?
Although from a clinical point of view, a miscarriage is only considered a miscarriage if a sac actually develops, it's possible to have what they call a "Chemical Pregnancy" where the sac never develops, you get a faint + on a preg test if you take it before or on the day your period is due, but then your period starts as usual either on time or 1-2 days late.

So could ibuprofen (or other drugs) cause a chemical pregnancy. I don't know.

I do know that while we are TTC I don't take anything that is contraindicated during pregnancy just in case.
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my midwife tried to give me ibuprofen after i had jake even though my notes said i was allergic. it gives me asthma attacks!!(not my reg. m/w btw)
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i thought the baby implanted at about 2 weeks post conecption.....
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Hrmmmm... do you think that instead of making it a pharmacy only drug that an advertising campaign would do the trick? I just know I couldn't survive without nurofen if I was getting my usual amount of headaches.

I'm also terrible when it comes to drugs as I or my family have little to no allergies/reactions so I'm not very aware of the effects they have on some people. Apologies for being ignorant
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Mind you... would the company that produces ibuprofen allow an advertising campaign that warns people off their drug. Perhaps the only commercially sensitive way to combat this is to limit ibuprofen to pharmacies (or whatever other measures)

Perhaps an intermediate step (between pharmacy only and prescription only would be to have make ibuprofen a 'behind the counter drug' and have strict verbal warnings)

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Im finding this all very interesting!! Hehe

I get migranes quite often (being about 4 - 5 a year!) and the only way I have known and been told (by my Dr) is to take 2 Panadol and 2 nurofen as they are 2 different types of drugs - yet I went and brought both at the chemist a month or so ago and they told me I can't take them together as they clash... Must do research I think.

Nurofen (or ibuprofen medication) - should be a "Pharmicist-only" medication as Emma said - they ask you all these questions and you have to fill out a little form and show your ID... kind of like Telfast and those "P" making drugs nowdays!!
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As long as the research is relevant and sound, I also think that ibuprofen meds should be returned to a restricted pharmacy medication. Being able to buy something that is contraindicated with several serious conditions at the supermarket is going to lead to problems eventually. So many people self-medicate or choose meds from well-meaning advice of friends/family. Lena you make an interesting comment about your GP suggesting panadol and nurofen together - so many people take what the doctor says at gospel when its the pharmacists who they should be listening to regarding meds, its their speciality. The general population should be made aware of the potential risks and the only way to ensure that happens is to make it restricted again.
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I know - it's stupid that you go to the Dr for advice but end up getting the "correct" meds advice at the pharmacy. I now go to the Pharmacy 1st and talk to the pharmacist and then if I have to I go to the Dr!

Went to the supermarket today and they had nurofen at the checkout by the conveyer belts - seemed stupid to me as they have chocolates etc there for "impulse" buyers - looks like they are tapping into that for meds too now.

What is this world coming too??
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Interesting too Lena that when you are in hospital they double up drugs as well. When I was in hospital with my back they were giving ne Panadol, Voltaren and Tramadol together which is a pretty potent mix, I shudder now even thinking about it!

Janine - You're right, the baby does 'implant' as such two weeks after conception, but my specialist was telling me that it can take several more days. I have also heard bleeding at around 7-8 weeks described as implantation bleeding, but that seems a bit strange to me.

That said, the baby we lost had stopped growing at 4w6d, and yet was perfectly implanted, so who really knows. I think they say 4-6 weeks as most pregnancies will implant during that time frame.
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