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    Posted: 13 May 2008 at 8:41pm
I am having a job interiew next week (I think its more a discussion of how they can get me to work for them, than an interview though as the job has been advertised for months with no bites). If anyone knows me from work circles then shhhhhhh please as I dont know what I'm going to do if they do want me...

Anyway, for those of you that work in the health field (or anyone else that gets asked this one), how do you answer the treaty of waitangi question?
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That's a hard one! What do you know about it??
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What do you know about it.

I would saying that in the health field that you would respect the wishes of a Maori person to the treatment they want/need.

I could give a few more ideas if you want - PM me.

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I know what they want to hear, and have had lots of interviews before (and been asked every single time!), just wondering what others say.

They basically want you to say that you will treat the patient holistically (not just the medical problem) and include whanau etc. Cant remember off the top of my head but there's something to do with four walls (spiritual, and 3 others , have it written down somewhere).

I just find it really hard to answer, as I treat all my patients the same in that regard, whatever their culture.
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You can be totally honest and say that it doesn't actually factor into the way I treat my patients as I treat them all with the same respect and diginity(sp?) that they need relating to their own specific cultural needs.

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Ohman that question PEEEEEAAAASSSSSS me off (sorry Deb, had to shout that). We have to prove that we do our thing by treaty of waitangi for our competency assessments should we ever get audited (which happens 25% of the bloody time) and I cant hold back my answer which is totally unPC and is simply that each patient gets treated according to their individual need! Buggered if I am going to jump through hoops to impress beaurocracy when I already know I am doing the best by my patients!

I think it means a lot more than just respecting Maori rights....we should respect all rights and cultures and bare this in mind when dealing with them.

Of course any morons.....well thats a whole other story and there are plenty of those around....thank god I dont work in central wellington
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Spiritual, physical, social and emotional? (The four sides of the house?) In education its all about the holistic approach and being aware of sensitive issues, consulting with whanau and kau matua etc etc. Pretty much a generic answer. I know that in education it's turning more towards respecting any culture rather than just Maori beliefs but it's still a long way off.
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I usually talk about respecting the 3 P's of the treaty (partnership, participation and protection) and seeking help from Kaumatua around cultural knowledge.
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Yup I was about to say the 3 P's too - just incorporate that into the job role and that should cover all bases...


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It's not strictly health related but I answer it with talking about cross-cultural communication: because of the history and the different translations and people screwing people over etc.

And in my field, we talk about a partnership. Respecting that we are all in this together and working together for the earthybusinessyhippystuff.
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Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

I think it means a lot more than just respecting Maori rights....we should respect all rights and cultures and bare this in mind when dealing with them.


I would be surprised if anyone relates it specifically to Maori culture these days. In fact, I'd be pretty pissed (I haven't come across anyone like that). I agree with your view here.
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I've only ever been asked about the treaty of waitangi, not other cultures in general. Though I do believe it should be applied to all.
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Grrrrr questions like that really annoy me, I don't get why Maori culture should be singled out in that way.

I got asked a question for a job once (though not in the health sector) and I just said that I treat everyone the same, whether they are male, female, short, tall, black, white, orange, purple or whatever lol
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I got asked specifically (though not exactly) "how does the Treaty of Waitangi relate to international development?" - I don't consider that saying "how does the Treaty of Waitangi relate to Maori in international development?"
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See, the way I've been asked it in the past was always in a way asking how I would deal with Maori culture stuff in a nutshell.
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I'm gonna sit out on a limb here and say that I answer it by saying that I think it's the founding document of NZ as we know it today.  That said, obviously everyone deserves to be treated within the same realms of respect, regardless of their ethnicity.  But to me, Maoridom is different because it's unique to NZ, it's our heritage, and I'd be happy to see Maori being taught alongside English in schools as par for the course.  A lot of PC rubbish is attributed to the Treaty too, but if you look into it it's usually a reflection on whatever organisation it is creating the rubbish, rather than a reflection on the Treaty.  And I don't consider the Treaty some document so sacred it should never be critically analysed either, but not re-interpreted to the degree that it's warped out of recognition. 

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Thanks Andie, for another perspective on it. Now I'm stuck anwering the written question on the self-evaluation... 'proven experience in implementing the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi into a part of practice'. Trying to think of a clinical example, probably of inclucing the whanau into treatment etc.
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sounds like others have already answered it, but yep, the 3 p's.... which factor into everything you do really if you think about it, ie, encouraging participation ont he patients part in their care, patnership in working together with the family/patient, and Multi disciplinary team to plan and implement care, protection in terms of being an advocate ofr the patient and ensuring they know all the info to make decisions, etc   stuff you already do unconsciously without thinking.

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Yeah I was gonna say the same - the 3 P's can nicely show how you implement it in practice, and I'm sure you've got tons of examples you can draw on - your field of work is a partnership b/w therapist & patient, if they don't participate they don't get better, and you protect them with from further injury or whatever by imparting your knowledge on the subject. 

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Originally posted by kebakat kebakat wrote:

Grrrrr questions like that really annoy me, I don't get why Maori culture should be singled out in that way.

I got asked a question for a job once (though not in the health sector) and I just said that I treat everyone the same, whether they are male, female, short, tall, black, white, orange, purple or whatever lol


But see, I don't think this is totally appropriate. Ok, take a resonable simple example like eye-contact. If I go to meetings with Maori or Asian families, and make a lot of direct eye contact, I'm going to come across as possibly rude. But then again, if I work wih a Pakeha family and look away constantly, then I might look shifty and untrustworthy. Basically it's about treating people equally, which isn't treating them the same. Its about learning about different cultures and making people feel the same way, comfortable.
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