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Topic: He wont sleep..... help!!!!! Posted: 23 October 2007 at 5:20pm |
For the past few days Spencer will not sleep when I put him down at about 3ish, even though he is quite obviously tired.
Normally for his settling, he gets a clean bum, is swaddled and then put to bed. He doesn't have a dummy, he did but is no longer interested in it, I tried to give it to him anyway and the situation got worse. When he did have dummy he never had it to go to bed with, only to help calm down.
He doesn't have a mobile, a blanky, a toy or anything else that is in anyway stimulating (he is very nosey and will not sleep if there is something interesting around). The room is darkened. Oh we also have a wee cuddle before I put him down and I always kiss his forehead and say night night before I leave the room.
This has been working very well and he always goes to sleep without even grizzling.
We go through the same process, day or night and it is still working for all sleeps except the one at 3ish.
He will be quiet and then will start to grizzle 5-10mins after I leave, I leave him to grizzle and then that turns into real crying, I go in he stops crying and giggles at me, I leave and he cries as soon as I leave, I go in he giggles at me but will then start crying, I pick him up to check that he doesn't need to burp etc, all is fine, put him back to bed he is calm for about 2 mins before going manic again. I try patting him to sleep, doesn't work. I have also tried going in as soon as he grizzles so that it doesn't escalate but that didn't work, and I have tried sitting next to him while he goes to sleep and that doesn't work (has worked before when he has been over tired when put down for the night)
The only way I can get him to sleep is on me and then I can't move him to his bed as he can sense it.
So today I decided to be mean mummy and just let him cry it out. I made sure that everything was good before i left him. Clean bum, burped, wrapped, room the right temp etc and just let him go for it. He grizzled then that escalated to real crying I listened for gaps which there were so just left him, but then he notched the crying up a level there were no gaps and I could here him making himself choke from crying so much so went in to him. He had broken out of his swaddling, scratched his forehead to pieces, pulled the fabric from the bassinet out of the top with he arms and out of the bottom with his feet and had hold of his T-shirt and was pulling that straight out in front of him. He didn't hear me come in or see me as he was screaming with his eyes shut, I tried talking to him but he didn't hear that, so I just held his hands until he realised I was there and he stopped crying for about 2 secs and then started again. I picked him up and he was just so mad that nothing was gonna calm him down. I ended up feeding him but it took 5mins to get him to take the bottle, he only had a top up the pushed it out of his mouth screamed, puked screamed some more and more and more, I eventually got him to fall asleep on me again, and am writing this with him passed out in my arms.
Wow that was a big story.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 5:22pm |
Oh, I also have one monster headache now
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 6:46pm |
How long is he up for before you try and put him down?? Often they get like that when they are overtired and then just get really frustrated about not being able to make themselves go to sleep. Daniel did much of the same thing for a while, so I put him to bed 10 mins earlier than I was and that did the trick. He would do the smiling and giggling thing when I went in too
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 6:54pm |
He's normally only ever up for about an hour to an hour and half. He has about 4 sleeps during the day as he is on a 3ish hour feeding cycle.
Tomorrow I will try putting him to bed a bit earlier after his 2ish feed and see if that helps.
He woke up again after falling asleep in my arms, but then I did manage to get him back to sleep and to transfer him back to his own bed and he is still asleep now. Don't know whether to wake him up to feed him then do his night routine or just leave him. Normally he gets fed at 6.30 and is then in bed by 7.30, but had such a rough afternoon I dunno whether to just leave him rather than risk peeing him off by waking him up.
phewwwwwwwwwww babies
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 6:57pm |
I don't bother keeping a 3hrly routine with Daniel. He wakes up, feeds, plays and then sleeps. Every time I've tried the 3hrly routine he becomes a grumpy ass like what you have described lol.
How much sleep is he getting in total during the day? It may be that he is just sooo tired by the end of the day that he just struggles more as the day goes on.
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 7:03pm |
No I don't wake him for feeds either, he just pretty much runs to a 3 hour cycle sometime a bit less. He was about 2 hourly when bfed.
He does get a far amount of sleep during the day, not as much as is recommended but then I don't think he always needs it. Today he has had quite a lot of sleep, more than he does in an average day. He would have had 3.15 hours before I tried to put him down at 3 and he didn't get up till 7.30, rather than 6 like he normally does.
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 8:42pm |
today was a funny day though. tom was unsettled and I heard from some friends that they couldnt get their babies to sleep either. I wonder if it was the NW winds!
Sorry cant offer any advice. Hopefully its just one of those phases and will pass. I peed Tom off today by trying to get him to have nudey time in the shade outside.....oh boy!!! too much for him....he's not quite into being naked yet. Took me ages and a boob to calm down the screaming...with tears
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 8:48pm |
Oh yeah could be the winds, they can do strange things to people, didn't think about that.
Spencer quite likes being in the nuddy, think he might be an exhibitionist when he's older
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 8:59pm |
if his sleep patterns were out today he may not have been tired when you tried to put him down at 3. best to see how he goes over the next couple of days...it may just be him changing his routine.
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Posted: 23 October 2007 at 11:32pm |
Sam did exactly what you just described for his afternoon naps a few weeks ago, and he would have been about the same age. It turns out that he was trying to drop his afternoon sleep and just go to bed earlier. So I just went with it instead of him only being up for 1.5 hours as I read was good for babies under 4 months, cause he was over 4 months by then, I keep him up for at least 2.5 hours. Before four months he would have 2 big sleeps during the day and then do 8-9 hours at night. He now has two small sleeps and then does 12 hours at night. He is up for 3-4 hours at a time during the day now and is happier for it.
Ok I just re-read your story and I laughed (sorry) at the coming out of the swaddling and stuff because Sam did EXACTLY the same thing. No wrap, no blankets, no socks, screaming his head off.
It lasted a couple of days but each day got better and after that he started his 12 hour sleep thing. It's uncanny how Spencer is exactly the same age Sam was when he did exactly the same thing. It's so worth it after the couple of days of refusing to go to sleep. Sams routine is awesome now. 7PM bed, 7AM wake, nap at 10AM for an hourish, then nap at 3PM for an hourish, then bed again at 7PM!
I hope Spencer does the same and is just trying to change his routine like gandt said. So frustrating when they scream when you're not there but giggle when you go in the room!
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Posted: 24 October 2007 at 6:51am |
Yeah it was quite funny, if he hadn't have been screaming so badly I probably would have grabbed the camera.
He already sleeps quite well at night, he goes to bed betweed 7-8pm and sleep through till 6ish, but he has only been doing that for the last week so perhaps he also needs to change his day to fall in line.
Might see if I can keep him up a wee bit longer between his sleeps today.
Now that you have posted i remember your thread and have just had a look at it. I posted "cos he can" comment. Oh karma, not so funny now its me!!!
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Posted: 24 October 2007 at 9:25am |
I've been struggling to get Poppy to sleep at around 3 or 4pm too. We don't have a set routine during the day but just play, feed, play, sleep. Recently she's started to be up for an hour down for 40mins (you can almost set your watch by it). Sometimes I'll leave her after 40 mins and she'll either go back to sleep or get more and more worked up and I'll have to get her up. She always has a bath at 5.15 and is usually in bed by 6.30 (she goes down without a fuss at this time) though if she doesn't have that 3 or 4 pm sleep I've been struggling to get her to last till 6.30 and the last few nights it's been 6.15!
Sorry I've just realised that I don't really have any advice for you. But I guess it might help to see that you are not alone on this!
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