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    Posted: 25 May 2007 at 10:09pm

Does anyone have a child whose speech development was delayed because of recurring ear infections? How did you finally sort the infection out? How delayed was their speech, and when they finally started to say words, did they pick it up pretty quickly?

Emma Rose has been battling the same ear infection in her right ear for the last five months or so. The infection comes and goes and comes back again. We thought we'd finally conquered it about a month ago, but this morning she woke up a Snotmonster and our GP says the dreaded infection is back. Sigh...

We've been to the specialist quite a few times, and it's looking like grommets are the next step, as her speech development seems to be delayed. Our GP suggested we try the new pneumococcal vaccine and see if that helps before we go to the lengths of scheduling the grommet surgery. It's all making my head feel like it wants to explode... Hence the above questions!

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my nephew is almost 3 and has just had grommits. He neer spoke till recently as a result of ear infections that by and large went untreated. jacob had heaps last year and has limited hearing in one ear but speaks well. if we have more than one infection this year we will be going the grommits route no hesitation at all. A frieds son had his done last year and his speach was delayed as well, but was speaking almost normally in a day or 2. I wouldn't wait, to be honest, the only reason we haven't done it yet is that they won't operate on under 18mo old for grommits, and he hasn't had an infection for about 6 months now.
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We've got three more months til they'll consider doing the surgery (Em is 15 months now) so we can't go for the grommets just yet -- which is why the GP suggested the new vaccine, to see if that will help at all (or, ideally, mean that next time she gets a cold, she doesn't get an ear infection and we can avoid the grommets altogether). How old was your friend's son, fattartsrock, the one who for the grommets and was speaking normally soon afterwards?
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My DSD had recurring ear infections and had grommets eventually. Not sure how delayed her speech was, but happy to talk to you about the ear infections side of things - after 6 years of regular hospital trips I am pretty much an expert. Call me
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almost 3 when he got them done, I think. I'd try the vaccine while you wait, you've got nothing to lose. I'm feeling lucky cos Jake was 17 months old when he had his last one, touch wood. Hopefully no more!!! He has only just this last week started getting his hair washed without screaming, and actually wanting to get it done.
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I will grill you on Monday, Emma! Today has been an absolutely crap day, between this and the other stuff that I had to cope with (you know). To sit in the GP's office first thing this morning with a grumpy Snotmonster, listening to the GP go on and on about how Em doesn't hear what we say properly and hasn't reached most of the speech milestones for her age group, just made me want to cry! And then I spoke to my own mother, who started scaring the crap out of me, telling me stories about the kids in her preschool who are language-delayed because their parents didn't sort out their ear infections... Let's just say I need a good stiff drink right about now!
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But language delayed doesn't mean anything at the end of the day - as long as she gets there eventually. It's like being slow to walk - do you know many adults who have never learnt to walk? It bugs me a little that doctors and developmental therapists make such a huge deal about 'milestones' - babies will do what they want, when they want, in their own sweet time.

As for the language delays, Mona has what is termed 'moderate' hearing loss in both ears (long story, failed grommets, worst case scenario, will fill you in on Mon) but her speech now is fine, and aside from needing a little support in the classroom because of the hearing loss, she is keeping up with her classmates.
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PS, Go on, have that stiff drink - you deserve it! And have one for me while you're at it
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I think it's the stuff my mom said that has been freaking me out the most -- I have been pretty chilled out until now, despite the dire predictions of the Plunket nurse, specialist, and GP. I've been taking a "wait and see" approach to the whole thing, and have been content to just take the ear infections as they come, treat them cautiously but appropriately for the circumstances, and not jump to conclusions.

Mostly, I'm just naive because I've never had personal experience with a child who was language-delayed. You're right, Emma, I totally agree -- she'll learn to talk eventually, and I'm not in a hurry for it to happen. It's more that I don't know how to handle the persistent and aggressive questions from friends and relatives (who themselves haven't experienced children with language delays) so I feel the need to beef up my knowledge in order to understand what's going on better, and be able to fend them off effectively.

The pneumococcal vaccine is two jabs, $150 each, so that's a BIG chunk of change for us. I've just dusted off the three-year-old bottle of duty-free Absolut and poured myself a shot! L'Chaim!

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My mum will talk to you if you like, both my brother and sister were developmentally delayed (I reckon they're both still a bit slow ) and they saw both physical and speech therapists, she'd be happy to give you some advice/reassurance.
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The speech gets delayed because of hearing difficulties.
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Hope you enjoyed that drink, Katherine!  I second the whole 'delayed speech development means diddly-squat' thing.  It's absolutely no reflection on Emma Rose's potential.  I was one of those kids - constant ear infections left me hearing 30% of what I should have been by the time I was in primary school.  And I had speech therapy before then, to sort out saying some words backwards.  Apart from the stream of school reports that read "Andrea does well but could do better if she just applied herself more" (ha ha... didn't we all get some of those?!) it had no ill-effect on me at all in the long run (apart from the pain of the ear infections).  I lip-read as a young child to make up for what I couldn't hear (so became pretty observant), became really good at reading & visual things as a littlie, was great at music funnily enough (thank God I was too, something had to make up for my unbelievable lack of talent at sports and complete void in mathematical ability!!). 

It must have been harder on my mum than on me, so I feel for ya there, worrying about your girl.  I went totally dairy-free for a year (without much effect from what I remember), swallowed a truckload of antibiotics, and eventually had my tonsils and adenoids taken out, which helped, and things eventually came right.  I'm 30 now, and I don't think that grommets were the done thing back then - not sure.  Anyway, what I was trying to say was that it's tough on the parents at the time, but the delays that a child suffers because of hearing loss are all things that naturally get caught-up on later on, and the child develops other skills in the meantime.  I think I was an average student at school until I found goals I wanted to achieve and needed the grades to get me there, then all of a sudden I pulled finger and was such a geek... one of those people really dissapointed if they got a "B-"!  So your Emma Rose will be fine. 

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Thanks, Andie, hearing your perspective really helps. I was up half the night doing "research" (and yes, I did put the vodka bottle back in the cupboard... eventually) and a lot of parents are recommending baby sign language as a way to fill in the gap in situations like this. I always thought baby sign was a load of bollocks, but I might give it a go just to see what happens. It's not knowing how much she understands that is difficult for me. We're pretty sure that she doesn't know her name as she doesn't react at all when she's called, and she doesn't identify when we use the words "Mummy" and "Daddy", so I might see if I can teach her signs for those words at least. Hmm, maybe I'll try to train the dog at the same time... He doesn't listen either! LOL
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I was worried lataly about this ones speech development. She use to pronounce certain words correctly but since the ear infection she is mumbling the o's with a's and stuff like that. I thought this last week she might have another one. Same symptoms ect and the dr rushed me in but she was clear in both ears. I brought the speech development thing up and he told me shouldnt worry right now might still be fluid in the ear and if that is the case it might take another month. So in a months time we will see and if her speech doesnt get better he will get a hearing test set up for her.

I am myself a bit wary of grommets. In SA they use to put it in all kids that got their tonsils taken out. My mother was the matron in the ear nose and throat ward and they still put grommets in although my mother specifically told them not too.

It caused a lot of pain for me later on. When I went overseas for a comp the stupid thing pipe thing fell out and now I can have boinic ears the one day and the next day be totally deaf in that ear.



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I haven't read the other replys but for Andrew it did. He had constant ear infections through out 2005 about 1 every 3 weeks - it drive me nuts having to give him antiboitics for 1 week at a time every few weeks. His language was getting behind the rest of his development. I finally had had enough and demanded to see a specialist (this was at xmas time 2005) and told my GP I had health insurance I want to see a particuar specialist and see him before xmas. We saw him on the 22nd of December 2005 and he told me that he should of had grommets about 6 months ago. Andrew was booked for surgery in Feb in the public hospital (it would of been March private as he was booked up with adult ops privately). Once he had them in his language took off and now is saying words almost perfectly. Andrew has lost a grommet (had his ears checked by the public health nurse at preschool) so we may have to go back in to have it replaced as fluid is in his ear, i'm just waiting for him to say it hurts.

I had them put in me and had no issues (that my mum has told me) other than climbing out of my cot and stealing the milk from the fridge  (that was in an Aussie hospital).

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Oh Katherine you poor thing! You've met my boy, we've been having the same problems for months on end now. It's only just recently he's been saying a couple words that we can actually understand ("Bubba" and "A car!") and he's 23 months now. He'll be going for hearing tests too as his level of comprehension of what we're saying to him, is pretty poor too! It's REALLY upsetting when your child is speech delayed and everyone elses child seems to be "thriving" in the speech department so I can totally sympathise with you!
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