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    Posted: 02 February 2009 at 8:17am
We own our own home and have a small mortgage on it. My parents helped us buy the house and they lent us some money to put into it. At the time there was no demand put on the $$ to pay it back at any stage but we have been paying a nominal sum each week towards the repayment of their loan as it feels right.

Recently we had decided we were going to TTC number 2. We were also presented with the opportunity to move in with MIL as she is looking to buy a very large house. Our initial thoughts were that this could be quite beneficial, we could rent out our place for pretty much the mortgage payments, move in with MIL and pay her a small amount of rent, split the bills etc etc. The house she is looking to buy is huge, kind of ruralish and would be fantastic to bring kids up in.

Yesterday I spoke to my Mum about it. I had mentioned to her that it was a possibility that we were considering and yesterday I went that step further to ask how she and Dad felt about it. She told me that they had talked and that if we moved in there, they would want their money out of our house. She said that they didn't help buy it to be a rental but rather to help us out. She did say that they would be fine with us having a settling in period to see if it all works out with MIL and I also told her that we would not even consider selling until our fixed term ended in June 2010 as the fees to repay would be a stupid amount.

Now I am very unsure about everything and also rather upset. The idea of moving in with MIL was that we got ahead even more, especially in this time of recession, were able to have another child and go down to one wage (I am the major breadwinner in our house by quite a large amount). I didn't actually envisage selling our house, and now I feel all confused because I don't feel we will ever get ahead if we do sell as I think we would find it hard to get another mortgage on only 1 wage. It was kind of my 'security' blanket, having the house there.

What would you do if it was you? Would you:

1. Suck it up, stay in the house you own and put off having number 2.
2. Move in with MIL and sell the house now
3. Move in with MIL and have the settling in period with number 2 then look to sell the house later
4. Move in with MIL, have the settling period, sell the house then try for number 2

Any other ideas anyone?

As a side note, it was never discussed when we borrowed the money from my parents that they would want their money out like this. And Mum even said that if we bought another house to live in that would have been fine, they wouldn't be asking for their $$ back then either. Hence me feeling rather confused and upset about it all.

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Have you told your mum that it affects TTC for #2? If she knew it was going to delay her getting another gorgeous grandchild they might be less thingy about getting their money out of the house

Tricky situation - I can see both sides of the argument, cos I can see why they would want their money out of it but can see how it makes life difficult for you.

Otherwise, banks often waive the early repayment fee if you're immediately taking out another mortgage with them - are you able to maybe sell now, and go together with the MIL to purchase a share of her big new house? (Although as Star's current thread illustrates, that can be fraught with difficulty too!)

Otherwise of your options I think #3 is the best.

Good luck with it all!

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I'm not a house owner so I would be inclined to do your number 1 option. I would LOVE to own a house right now.

What if down the line something happened that caused a rift between MIL and you guys and you wanted to get out of the house?

Is there an option of cutting back your repayments to the loan and still being able to afford to have baby #2 as well?

Do you think there's a small chance that your mum is jealous that you're moving in with MIL and that's what's upset her?
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I would have been inclined to side with your Mum until I read the end paragraph - that does make it really confusing.

Is there no way you can continue TTC#2 while taking option 1? I would be tempted to do that rather than cause bad blood in the family. Definitely not a good time to sell.

How frustrating for you

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I had a call from Dad today who has said that they rediscussed it and that we can leave the $$ in the house if we rent it out. But if we did sell it and not buy another of our own, we would have to give the $$ back - which is EXACTLY what I thought anyway. There is no way I would pocket their cash and spend it if we didn't use it for the intended purpose of the loan.

While I feel better because we are actually on the same page, I am still very unsure about it all.

Part of the problem is that I still feel about 12 when it comes to my parents and the fact that they do have $$ invested with us, I kind of feel I have to do what they say.

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Well that must be a relief for you!

I personally wouldn't sell the property but rent it out because (a) things may not work out living with MIL and (b) it's not a good idea to get out of the property market as it would be that much harder to get back in.

Friends of ours have just recently moved in with parents and have kept their house for exactly these reasons.

As far as your parent's having money tied up in the property I would be having an open and honest discussion with them about yours and their expectations and possibly even drawing up some sort of agreement so that things are crystal clear. Money and family are a hard mix because there's a lot of emotion in the business decision.

You shouldn't feel like you're a 12 year old that has to do what they want but tneither should they have no say in what happens with their investment. (not that that's what I think is happening - hopefully you know what I mean).

And as an aside you will get on your feet once your kids are a bit older. I remember an old great-aunt comment on how well set up we were with furniture, etc when we were first married as they had beer crates as dining chairs when they first set up home - so it's all relative and I think we live in a society that wants everything yesterday without appreciating how well off we really are. Most people live on the bones of their bums while raising a young family and gradually work towards their financial goals.

Sorry for the rave!
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Oh man, what a dilemna.  Thanks goodness that you're on the same page now but I understand why you're not still feeling uncomfortable.  I agree with what Babykatnz has said.

On a side note though if you move in with MIL soon and rent the house out straight away how long would it take you to pay your mum & dad back?  It might be worth putting an effort into getting rid of as much of the loan as possible while TTCing and once your pregnant but still at work.

 

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Well we also had help getting into our first house from my in laws and they were really happy for us to rent out our place when we got the opportunity to move up here.

Seeings as your dad now sees it your way I would keep the house, continue to pay them back and move in with your mil. If things don't work out then you always have your house to go back to.

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I totally sypathise with you how tricky this can be as we own a house with a family member and it can easily turn to custard. We have a similar situation to you by the sounds of it where we have very little equity in the propert which makes it harder to buy your own one.

Maybe you could move in with MIL until you are back on your feet then move back into your house. As for your Mum, she does sound jealous that you will be with MIL. I would explain that even if you arent living there, you are still benefiting from owning the house. And like someone else says tell her it will delay having #2.

Probably best not to sell in this market if you can help it.


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OMG, this could be my situation too!!!!  I have no answers for you but can totally sympathise as my parents are like this too...very helpful but not at the same time.
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Well, last night MIL decided against buying the house she was looking at due to building inspections etc. Quite frankly I am totally relieved. When I got home I had made the decision that I wanted to stay in our house and just didn't know how to break that to DH. Luckily that decision was kind of made for me!!

I rang Mum and she really doesn't want to talk to me at the moment, she is quite shirty so Ill just leave her for the meantime and let her call me when she is ready. I did however text Dad to say that I was eternally grateful for their help and that is why I was being open and honest about the whole situation.

However, he did make a comment about my DH that really upset me so I told him as such. I married this man, I love him with all my heart. My parents seem to get on the band wagon that because he doesn't have a fantastic paying job that he isn't 'bright' but its simply not true. Nevermind. I am just ranting now!

I will never ever ever take a loan from family ever again. I am not liking the feeling of being under the thumb.

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CuriousG, I know exactly how you feel. I am going through a similar situation with my parents at the moment and it's not very pleasant. Both my parents have said some things about DH which I'm not very happy with and it made DH very uncomfortable when staying in their house over Xmas.

Anyway I don't want to rant about my problems but I just want to give you a .

Just remember do what's best for your immediate family and the rest will sort itself out. At least that's the motto I'm trying to live by anyway
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Thanks Tishy - nice to know I am not the only one but BOO at your parents too. I kind of feel that sometimes parents get upset when you don't follow the plan they had envisioned for you? *shrug*

Dad did apologise and said that if he really had a problem he would have tried to stop the wedding when in actual fact he did the very opposite. It was a very valid point.

I like that motto. I think Ill borrow it for a while

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If you only have a small mortgage on your house, would it be possible to increase that mortgage by the amount that you owe your parents and use that money to pay them back? That way the house is all yours (well, and the bank's, but the bank isn't going to guilt you into/out of things).
We are toying with the idea of borrowing from DH's parents, but if we do I'll make sure that there is a very clear legal agreement in place as to how we go about paying back and in what circumstances they can take their money out.
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The amount is too much. While we have the majority share its still a large amount and I don't want to have to pay the bank so much.

We do have a legal agreement, all signed and in place so in reality they probably couldn't have got their $$ out when it came to the crunch. It was more the guilt thing that was being put on me.

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