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    Posted: 17 May 2007 at 12:10pm
Hi, my partner and i found out last month that we were having another baby our daughter is now 4 and half months old, and we also had at that point my partners daughter who is pretty much my daughter as ive been her mum since she was 9months old. His son was living with his mother she for thelast year and a half has been trying to cause us nothing but sh*t spreading lies through his family and abusing us and threatning us etc, cyfs told us we had to go and get him or they were gonna take him, so therefore we went and picked him up last week, omg things have just been sooo kaotic he wont behave our time out decipline technique isnt working for him and he is driving us all insane as is seems his mothers attitude problems have rubbed off on him. Im unsure now as to wether we should keep this baby, we were so happy when we found out and i have allready got some stuff for it like a book to keep memorys of the pregnancy etc, but im just not sure anymore as the pressure of my partners son just makes me want to cry all the time as the stress is just so much.
His sister who is now 2 is now picking up his habits although not completly as we are actively trying to steer her away from it all, he is quite nasty to her for example shoved her into the floor and stairs the other day. Im soooooooooo confused, i dont know what to do, my partner was gonna see if his ex did a parenting course if cyfs would let him stay with her but isnt that punishing him for our baby? and if i get an abortion isnt that punishing the baby because of him?
Any advice would be great or just someone to talk to would be lovely.
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jessica it is hard to break habits of a lifetime, but easier if that lifetime hasnt been that long. consistency and love will eventually win him over. cant help with what to do about the pregnancy tho.
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Hi Jessica

WOW,It sounds like you are having a real time of it all. I'm not sure I can give you any sound advice as this will need to be a decision only you and your partner can make.

Are Cyfs able to offer you guys any proper support? How old is he by the way, maybe some counselling! It could just be that this is a huge adjustment for him, new rules, new family and hopefully if you keep up with what you are doing eg time out etc he will settle down.

I really,really feel for you, you have to keep in mind that you guys have to do what's right for you. Nobody else. You must really have your hands full
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hey there, hes 4 and quite smart when he wants to be, he went to his mum in feb we havent had him back that long so maybe he'll change back into the good boy we once had, he wanted to stay with us so i hope he changes his attitude towards everyone, cyfs help all they recomened was making so that there mother couldnt have any type of contact at all and to get a protection order on her and her partner.
Im probably gonna end up having to get an abortion even though the thought makes me really sad cause what it comes down to is he is my partners son so he comes first i guess.
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I thing consistency is the key. I dont think I would abort the baby in the same circumstances. You guys are just having a really hard time at the moment.

I think through all of this you guys have a very confused little boy on your hands. He most propably behaving the way he does as that might be the only way he got his moms attention. This might be the only way he knows how.

How about instead of trying time out to just totally ignore what he is doing when he does something that bad. If he is hurting the other kids then take them away and go do something fun. If he looks into what you guys do ask him nicely if he wants to join in. Start praising every little good thing he does. Whether it is as simple as him eating all his food or tieing his own shoe laces. Shower him with hugs and kisses and say something really positive.

Show him as much attention as you can while he is good so he can start learning that good behaviour means he gets attention and bad behaviour wont get him anywhere.

We looked after hubby's cousins kids for a while before I was pregnant and we sat more or less with the same problem. Boy was a bully and the little girl totally turned into herself and aways felt like no one loved them. They did start changing a lot with what we did above. Hope it works for you guys.


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The decision is entirely up to you but don't make a rash decision based on you being tired, stressed etc. There is a whole 7 months btween now and when your baby is due and a lot can change in that time. His behaviour could be well and truly sorted by then! I admire you fro taking on the challenge and remeber to accept any help that is offered to you. Good Lcuk for your decision.
       
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You should come first in your life, and the decision to keep the baby or not is between you and your partner.
Don't feel you have to make a hasty decision you have time. Can cyfs recommend some professional help for the little boy.

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Hi Jessica, that sounds like a really tough situation to be in.

So just trying to sort out what you've said, you currently have in your care: a step-son who is 4, and a step-daughter who is 2, a 4 1/2 month old as well as being pregnant? That must be a handful!

Well first off I don't think an abortion is actually going to help you, firstly I think you would take it really bad and regret it later. Secondly the pregnancy isn't really the cause for the problems at the moment so things will still be difficult for you. So I think the best way forward is to address the parenting difficulties you guys are having with Mr 4.

Mr 4 has been through a whirlwind of other people's decisions by the sound of things. Being transferred cold turkey into your (and your DP's) care a week ago will be very stressful for him and you probably have different rules and standards (and methods perhaps too) in your home. He needs a lot of love and assurance that things will be okay, and heaps and heaps of consistency so he can re-establish himself in the new environment. (Even though he's been with you before, he has to relearn it, it's a bit like going through culture shock.) Is Mr 4 attending any kind of preschool/kindy which will give him an element of security? (It will be secure for him if he has already been going there and so he's already used to the routine and the rules.) I suspect his attitude towards his little sister is mostly his anxiety playing out.

I think the best thing you and your DP can do is to get as much support as you can. The Family Court can arrange 6 free counselling sessions for any couple who requests it (I think it's 2 for her, 2 for him and 2 together). CYF sounds like they are on your side, perhaps they can suggest or even fund a parenting course for you guys to attend?

You haven't really talked about the legality of the situation. Have you got a lawyer? If not it would be good to get one and talk things over re guardianship of your DP's children in your care, and any concerns you have about Mr 4's mum and her custody/guardianship/etc.

Good on you for speaking out and asking questions, this will be pretty trying for your relationship I expect, but I have seen many couples pull through for the better and if you commit, you'll get there.

Big hugs too, and welcome to OB!
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I just wanted to say Welcome to Oh Baby!

Nothing much to add to busymum's wonderful post, other than I have a (sorry, kind of vague) memory of seeing a child's counseller when I was 9. My parents had been fostering a young boy, and were going to adopt him. It fell through for a number of reasons and I took it hard. The councelling was to help me work through that. I know my parents didn't have a lot of money, so I imagine that the councelling was not expensive. CYFS may know of something similar that would be suitable for Mr 4 to help him figure out what is happening in his world.
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It's great that you want your DP's child to come first but, how does he feel about the whole situation? What worries me is that once the finality of an abortion set you if you had one, you may end up resenting the boy! It's a really tough one and I certainly don't envy you, I would however suggest you and Dp talk about your options alot and make sure you are 100% certain before you do anything. It's really hard to make rational decisions when you are as tired and stressed out as you sound, not to mention adding pregnancy hormones into the mix!!!
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It sounds from what you've said that you don't want an abortion.  Go with your heart on it - you're already a parent so you know what you're dealing with as far as having another baby goes.  There are some women on here who have had terminations before, and they might share some of their experiences with you if you ask.  This is out of left-field, but have you considered adoption as another option?  There are so many loving families in NZ waiting to adopt a baby that the child's mother can pick and choose who she'd like for baby! 

This 4-year-old may or may not live with you long-term.  However long he's there for (or not, I suppose!), he'll need a LOT of love and consistency.  Taking on a child who has been raised by someone else is really difficult and I applaud you for doing this.  But please do ask for help - it's not something that comes easy to anyone, no matter how competent and wonderful they may be.  If he's already had contact with CYFS, talk to his social worker.  If they've closed his file and he doesn't have one, ask to open it.  If they fob you off, ring again until you get to see someone.  His 'case' mightn't be at the top of their priority list, because he has family who he can live with and is safe with, so don't be afraid to tell them about the decisions you feel you're facing, and how desperate this feels for you, and the time-frame you've got to make these decisions.  Good luck - I hope this year improves for you!

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Hey there, yeh i hope this year improves too lol we are moving to christchurch soon so that will be great!, adoption is great but i dont think i could do it i get really attached really quickly by the time by Dp daughter was 11 months i used to just introduce her as my daughter lol.
Legal side of things, we have a lawyer whom we consult but thats really it as we did the whole court and custody thing last year to get custody of both kids, allthough we may now have to go to court again to get protection orders to protect all the children due to the nature of Dps exs threats. (She threated when i was pregnant with my lil girl that she was gonna come in one night as she has keys and stabb us to death) i think shes a bit loopy! lol
I was actualy talking with Dp yesterday regarding councelling for his son some of the things he has been saying about his mother is quite sad for example she made him sleep on the floor and put him to bed dirty etc which is another reason as to why if she is ever in her life granted visitation is will be supervised.

As far as this baby is concernd im not sure, Dp isnt really much help in the decision making process from what hes been saying and not saying i dont think he cares either way which is kinda sad.

Anyhow lol ill stop bleating! lol hope you guys all have a good afternoon :)
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jessica it may not be that your DP doesnt care, but they dont share feelings very well. and i too would hate for you to make a decision that you would come to regret.
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Could you try an over-the-top proactive approach with Mr4? This is going to sound like I'm standing on my pedestal, but at teachers college they teach you to use a proactive approach (ie. rewarding good behaviour, ignoring bad) rather than punishing. It can work if you stick to it, I know it must be really difficult because he's been with his mother for a while (and it doesn't sound like she's done anything for him in the way of developing sound habits). Maybe a sticker chart for playing nicely, no hitting, tidying his room etc. Then gets to do something he loves (maybe time alone with you or dad, watching his favourite programme, playing a quiet game, reading a book together) 1 minute for every sticker he has at the end of the day? (or ticks if stickers get too expensive!)

Good luck, it must be very hard for both of you to juggle your combined family. I think you need to sit down with your DP and nut out the pregnancy situation. Don't let him leave until you've decided on the outcome !
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Hey jessica ,welcome to ohbaby

I cant give advice on the legal side of things, or what to do about your step son ,cept keep giving him lots of love i guess , but i can advise on the abortion side of it.

I had a termination when i was 18, and i didnt want the baby , didnt feel excited when i discovered i was pregnant, just felt that something had invaded my body and had to be evicted-yet after the abortion i felt like id lost someone really special to me-and i hadnt even attempted to bond with the baby, even now nearly 8 years on, and with a beautiful nearly 5 year old i still feel saddened about my decision, its hard enough terminating a pregnancy even when you dont want it but if you were excited in the beginning,and are doing it cos you feel you have to, it hits you even harder, so as the other ladies have said, dont rush into that decision, as someone else said there are 7 months to go and a lot can change in that time, but if you do have an abortion no time will bring that child you were excited about, back.
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I know the age is different (although he acted like a 4 year old) but when I was pregnant with my son, my then 13 year old stepson came to live with us, and he was REALLY naughty. In the end, we found consistency, and not going back on our word helps alot. I also find this with my son, if I tell him "yes we can have a story when we get home" even if he appears to have forgotten about the story, I will read it anyway, so he knows I am good for my word. Trust is a huge thing, for babies and teenagers. Good luck and you are doing a fantastic job.
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