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  | 1st_Time_Preggies   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Topic: At what point do I get "tough"? Posted: 25 May 2010 at 9:56am
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   My wee son is four months on Thursday and I have a fairly predictable routine with him during the day.  He feeds four times during the day (both sides), then a "double" feed in the evening before bed (at 5.30 both sides and again at 6.30pm) with the last feed being about 100ml EBM.
 Last week he slept through from 7 - 7pm for four nights in a row!  He has done this two times previously but then always reverts back.  This time he fed again in the night for one night, then slept through again, and last night woke for a feed at 2.30am.  I only give him one side and that seems to get him through till 7am again.
 
 So I KNOW that he CAN do it, he just chooses when he does :-)  I do nothing differently on those days so I don't really understand why he sometimes sleeps through and sometimes not.
 
 I am wondering at what point I should "get tough" and not feed him?  I don't think I could handle him crying for nights on end, but then again I don't want to be getting up in the night forever!  One of my friends is a big fan of the Contented Baby and says I just have to get hard and do it.  Other friends in my coffee group are just going with the flow.
 
 Anyone else had this??  Or any words of advice?
 
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  | tiptoes   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 10:17am | 
 
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   I'd think that because he sleeps through sometimes and doesn't others then he's waking because he's hungry and not habit.  If he woke every night at the same time but didn't drink much then I'd say it was a habit.  4 months is still pretty little, personally I'd wait till he's properly on solids before worrying about it, unless of course you're suffering really badly with the sleep deprivation.
 If you don't really think he seems that hungry when he wakes can you try to resettle him with a cuddle or a dummy or does that make it worse?
 
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  | monikah   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 10:24am | 
 
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   we got tough quite early but by the sounds of things your baby is waking cos he is hungry. like chelle said if he is only waking sometimes then its probably still a hunger thing. babies go through big and mini growth spurts all the time so id leave it till about 6 months unless you can tell its def becoming habit and not hungry
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  | mummyofprinces   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 11:05am | 
 
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   Personally I wouldnt be "getting tough" with  a 4 month old. As Chelle and Mon said its most likely he is actually hungry or thirsty.
 At the end of the day I think the best thing any parent can do is to go with their gut. We second guess our instinct all the time and often ignore it and really we "know' what is best for our children.. we just need to trust ourselves and ignore all the well meaning advice   | 
 
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  | mamanee   Senior Member
 
   
 
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 11:32am | 
 
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   I don't think there is really any reason for you to get tough.  Four months is still pretty young and it sounds like he is waking up hungry.     Definitely try what Chelle said and try to resettle, but if it doesn't work I would just feed him.     Jamie is 5 and a half months and he's slept right through from 7-7 only once.  The rest of the time he's up every 4-6 hours overnight.    It is tiring and you know they are capable of sleeping through but sometimes they are just hungry.  Will he take more EBM before bed?   Have you tried a dream feed before you go to bed?   You could try starting him on a few teaspoons of solids?  I know most people say wait until 6 months but both my boys have been 9lb + and big hungry babies so I started them both at about four and a half months.  My baby is a shocking sleeper and always has been, and not everyone will agree and a few months ago I wouldn't have suggested it either, but topping up with formula but not replacing a breastfeed is what helped me get some much needed rest.   
 
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  | MrsEmma   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 11:50am | 
 
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   I agree with the above posts that he is probably just hungry!
 DS is just over 4 months old and has had a set feeding routine throughout the day and has slept through the night (10+ hours every night) from when he was 5 weeks old.. up until a week ago, now he wakes at least once for a feed.  Although I know he can sleep through, he's just hungry so I'm just going with it assuming it's a growth spurt or just a change in routine as he's getting older because he has no interest in solids.  It's so frustrating after him being so good for so long, but oh well!
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 Just go with what you feel comfortable with, as others have said 
   
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  | RinTinTin   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 12:53pm | 
 
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   I don't think getting tough is the right thing to be doing with a 4 month old. He's only 4 months old afterall. Wait til he starts teething, etc, it'll get worse   Don't set your expectations too high.
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  | millymollymandy   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 1:52pm | 
 
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   Yep-agree with pretty much everything  here. DD was feeding twice a night at that age. I'd wait to till solids were established and then  look at cutting  night  feeds. I knew it was time to stop when we had  2 hourly waking.
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  | arohanui   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 2:36pm | 
 
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   some great advice from these mamas    | 
 
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  | Helen1   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 25 May 2010 at 9:01pm | 
 
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   I agree with all the others.  I was told that before 6 months old to feed them when they wake at night.  I was also told that before they get to about 5kgs in weight babies are not physically capable of sleeping through the night regularly.
 Certainly get tough later on but not now.  He is too young IMO.
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  | Jelly   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 26 May 2010 at 1:11am | 
 
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   Gosh it sounds like you have a well behaved baby! I say at 4 months he's doing really well and so are you! Don't try to change something unless YOU see it as a problem. Other people's babies might sleep through and good for them but personally I think one quick feed and back to bed is awesome    He won't wake in the night forever, I promise!
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  | SpecialK   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 26 May 2010 at 8:10am | 
 
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   Yup, I also agree with all the others    H started sleeping through the night at 11 weeks but it wasn't consistent and I fed him when he woke for a few months... 9-10 months maybe? For us though it was the quickest way to settle him, so I was up maybe 10 min max once a night. And some days are just hungry days so he needed more milk. 
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  | fattartsrock   Senior Member
 
   
   
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 26 May 2010 at 10:47am | 
 
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   He still needs a feed. To be quite blunt any baby waking under one and wants a feed most probably needs it, and its you that has to toughen up. At around 4 to 5 months most babies who may have slept through will begin waking again, pain in the ass, I know, but they wake becasue they need it not becasue they are tryong to make you cross.  I know its tiring and frustrating but he is ONL:Y four months and its important to remember his wee tummy is smaller than a tennis ball....
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 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 28 May 2010 at 10:47am | 
 
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   You hear about some babies who sleep through from a very early age so it can make you think 'what's wrong with my baby?' but really they are all different, and their mummies are all different too so if you can live with it a few months more then I agree with everyone here to keep doing the feeds, if you can make it to 6 months that's when I've heard that it's OK to 'get tough.' I let my baby keep night feeding to 10 months but that's me, I couldn't bring myself to do control crying til then. You do the best you can. 
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