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emz
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Topic: How do I get it across to him? Posted: 04 November 2007 at 12:11pm |
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That I'm not an evil needy b**ch, I actually have raging pregnancy hormones topped with a bit of the old depression coming back because of this pregnancy, and that I'm having a hard time dealing with keeping up the workload?
DH and I have always had a pretty strong relationship, but last night because I wouldn't get off my 'lazy fat (bum)' (first time I've ever heard that come out of his mouth in relation to my appearance) to watch a stupid video he'd downloaded off the net (I normally would just to shut him up but I had just sat down after working for a few hours) he started blurting all this stuff out about how I don't respect him, how its all about me, that I'm pushing him away, and that I was lucky he hadn't left yet.
So, silence in our house for a couple of hours, then when we were supposed to go out to dinner with friends (and pick one of the friends up on the way) he said he wouldn't go unless I changed my attitude. I decided that I was going to dinner with or without him, he told me that if I left I wouldn't be allowed to come back. This is probably the 2nd or 3rd time since we've been in our house that he's threatened to kick me out and leave me with nothing. (It's under his name as we couldn't get a mortgage with my student loan).
So I had to cancel my dinner plans, leave my friend stranded and spent the whole night crying because I felt like a prisoner in my own home. I told him that I wanted him to sign a relationship property agreement so that if he ever does leave (or kicks me out) I am entitled to half - which has always been the deal anyway, he earnt the money, I looked after the house and would stay home and bring up our child.
I really don't know what to do, I don't want to be in a relationship where I don't feel like an equal, but he said he won't sign an agreement. It's not about the money, it's about making sure there's a safe and comfortable environment to bring up our son. I just don't know how things have become so bad, and all of this tension is making me almost regret deciding to have a baby, as I don't want him to suffer.
So what do I do? I'm 31 weeks pregnant so it's not like I can leave because all of the stuffs here, plus I work and study mainly from home. I don't think its bad enough to leave, I just want him to understand that I'm not pushing him away, I'm just having a hard time. Every time I do though, he basically says "tough". Where has my lovely DH gone? Is this an attention-seeking thing because all of our attention and money is going on the baby?
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Bizzy
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 1:04pm |
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It may not be an attention thing but men worry about the weirdest things when a baby is on the way...
Will i be able to earn enough to support us, will i be a good dad, what if i cant help or do anything???? lots of stuff... so it might not have been an attack on you but just a way to vent ... But really who knows with men...
If you have been living together for a certain amount of time anyway i think you are legally entitled to half of "the stuff" so a legal doc may not make a difference.
As you said you are pretty hormonal at the moment so maybe not the best time to make a snap decision.
maybe some you and him time together just relaxing and hanging out might be helpful...
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 4:22pm |
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Yeah men do have a tendancy to get jealous at this time and it is quite important that you keep some of the focus on him. My DH was brought a book about becoming a dad and although he didn't read it I did and it really helped me understand some of the emotions that fathers to be go through. Like GandT said they worry a lot about whether they will be able support their family, whether they will make good dads, whether they will cope with the birth, they worry about seeing their partners in pain etc.
It also talked about the stages that men and women go through during the pregnancy and it would seem that when women want to talk about stuff is the same time that men want to be pensieve and vice versa so a lot of miscommunication and feeling neglected/shut out and can go on on both sides.
Men are also fixers, if you tell them a problem they either think you are blaming them or they want to fix it, they aren't good at just listening and understanding so perhaps approach it from a different angle. Like, if you help me sort the laundry out then we could watch a dvd together. Instead of I'm tired and you never help me etc.
I think that you two probably need to have a really good chat about things as I think that him threatening to kick you out is crossing a line, but I think before you can do that you need to open the lines of communication and that will probably need to be done more subtly or you will most likely cause him to shut down even further.
Also I think you will find that if you are married and making an equal contribution to the relationship then you are entitled to half regardless of whose name is on what, unfortunately legally the waters are bit more muddied if you are not married and it can be hard for you to get anything unless you can prove that you have made financial contributions to the mortgage/household bills.
Good luck, I'm sure your loving DH is in there somewhere struggling with his emotions.
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 5:26pm |
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de facto relationships have just as much rights as marriage now where as if you have been together for 2 years (I think so don't quote me on this) you are entitled to half of 'the stuff'. Also as you said you are going to be the SAHM then you are still putting into 'the stuff'.
I think as other have said your Dh might be worried about the 'coming event' just as you are I am sure just males don't always come out with whats bothering them - it would make us females life so much easier if they would!
you might find once baby is here and you are settled into a family you will get back your wonderful DH.
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 7:45pm |
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I think de facto is 3 years. Definitely worth a good talk with him about. I think threatening to kick you out is crossing the line and maybe you should bring that up with him. It will probably be that he'll say sorry he's been stressed out or something and he didn't mean it.
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 8:51pm |
Property (relationships) act includes a de facto relationship or marriage or combo of both where three years have passed - courts may have regard to shorter ones where children etc but mostly that kicks in at say 2.5 years in certain circs...
NOW having said that - i vote preggy hormones for you, ars*hold daddy to be hormones for him...and I want to say that we had similar here at about the same time as you two!!! I thought i was going to go into prem labour from being so upset at time....and i felt we were never going to work thorugh it....next day all much better!!!
tell him to stop being a BABY cause he has one of those en route....and you go demand he leave you to soak in the bath, bring you a treat of something you crave and ask him to do something you have been telling him to do for ages before bubs arrives and then RELAX!!!!!! He will pull his head in I am sure....he best not mess with a preggy mumma to be thats for real!!!
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 8:53pm |
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BTW if that doesnt work go to a lawyer and put a notice of claim of interest on the property to preserve your right in the property under the law.....and leave it there til he agrees to put your name on it or change it into a family home or trust situation to show you that you count!!!!
THAT will show him you mean business!
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 9:02pm |
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If I was in that situation I would actually take a step back and arrange a "date".. my DH would get cranky when the talk was all about baby and he felt like life had been turned upside down so going and doing something just for the two of you might help him a little and then hopefully after some couple time you guys could have a really good chat. I find my DH and most guys for that matter are more receptive to talking about serious issues and are far more reasonable after they have had something really good happen like a good date night etc.
If I told DH that I was going to go to a lawyer that would make him feel like hes being backed into a corner and there is no way a decent conversation could happen.
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 9:25pm |
think you missed the point of my TWO posts above stacey...
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 9:39pm |
Ow Emz that whole event must have stung! Does he have any guy-mates who are parents? 'Cause if he does maybe a man-date with them might give him a change to have a whinge about how tough he's got it and they might just tell him to pull his head in?! I'm pretty sure DH and I had our worst arguments when I was pregnant (stress for us both, hormones, worries - it's a pretty rough deal when you think about it!), and it didn't leave our relationship any worse for the wear. But in retrospect, I have looked back and laid down a couple of 'ground rules' for if we have another baby. I guess what I'm saying is... HUGS to you because being pregnant and in the middle of a massive argument completely sux; here's hoping it's a one-off (him talking about kicking you out - that's rediculous and a cruel thing to say) and that you can both talk about it. I hope you get your lovely DH back too, Emz!
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 10:14pm |
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Well things seem to be better today, I'm going to leave bringing anything up until we've had a few days of us time, thanks ladies for letting me know this isn't just us!
In response to some of the posts, we are married, but I have in no way contributed equally (financially) to the relationship as I have been studying for the 3 out of 4 years we have been together (that decision was made jointly). But the deal is I take care of the home.
I was pretty sure that I'm entitled to half, but he could contest it right? It's not so much for me, but just to get that little issue out in the open so it can't be brought up again.
I think he knows he overstepped the mark now, but I'm glad I haven't brought it up yet as I think its more important that we both have time to process. Maybe a date would be a good idea, just to have some us time. Thanks for your thoughts!
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 7:46am |
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Hi, your contribution doesn't have to be financial, keeping home is doing half. Yes I think he could contest it but I doubt it would get him that far.
I'm glad things have calmed down now and I think that waiting till you 2 are talking better would be good before you have the big talk. Definately take some time to have a date, you won't get much of a chance once bubs is here.
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 9:30am |
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Glad things have cooled a bit Emz and it would be better to talk once everyone is calm again. He is probably just massively stressed about baby coming. He is in quite a risky line of work and he won't be there for a lot of the time baby is growing up so maybe that is a contributing factor as well. Anyway, hopefully all will be settled when you manage to sit down and have a good talk.
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 9:58am |
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[QUOTE=emz]
In response to some of the posts, we are married, but I have in no way contributed equally (financially) to the relationship as I have been studying for the 3 out of 4 years we have been together (that decision was made jointly). But the deal is I take care of the home.
As soon as you are married it's 50/50% regardless as far as i know he can't contest that..and really why would he...!! Especially as you will have a baby together!!:)
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 10:01am |
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i think i'm different to everyone else.. although he is stressed etc and his life will change and he is very worried..he still had no right to do what he did and it was unfair to threaten you and you had to dump your friends etc and stay home.. but it's good things are calming down.. my Dh and I have a rule because I like to talk straight away and he likes days to calm down that he has 24 hours after a blowup to talk to me about it..and it works well..gives him time to calm down and me time to think rationally.. but he needs to know threatening you can't be part of a secure relationship:(
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 12:21pm |
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Yeah thats my main issue, I know that at the end of the day he'd never follow through, but it just doesn't make it a very happy place to be in when I don't feel equal.
My DH has come a long way in the 4ish years we've been together, he has had very messed up ideas of what a healthy relationship is (thanks to my wonderful in-laws) and unfortunately has no-one to base being a good husband and father off as his father is useless (i.e. has 4 boys to 2 different mothers, all of whom he's basically abandoned when the going got tough).
I really think that a lot of this is to do with freaking out about being a good husband/father and almost trying to get out of it before he has to admit defeat. Oh the ways parents screw up their kids from an early age a!
He's been very cuddly for the past day which is his way of apologising (he doesn't talk much - another wonderful family trait!). I think I'm also distancing myself slightly because I know that in a few months I'm going to be left to look after the baby for 6 months when he goes overseas, so that probably doesn't help.
Thanks for listening ladies! I just didn't really know who to talk to as none of my friends are married/have children.
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