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    Posted: 13 July 2010 at 6:36pm
Hey everyone.

Needing some help right now if anyone could possibly help. I have a very unsettled baby who is 8months and refuses to sleep on her own. Whenever put her into her cot she rolls over and screams and screams or now pulls herself up an stands there screaming. They say let them cry it out but what do you do when they just wont stop screaming and are gettng to the point where they are winding themselves so much theyr making themself sick? everytime she does ths i pick her up calm her down etc an she falls back to sleep on me yet the min i put her back down we are back to square one. partner is on night shift and i also have a 2yo and can not deal with this every night lol (im sure no 1 else would want to aswel) its very draining!

would love to know what else can be done to get my wee girl to sleep without all this every night.
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Have you tried the patting technique?? Sit beside her cot and pat her tl she settles, stop patting when she stops crying, start patting when she starts crying, and so on? It worked when my oldest was around that age.
Theres a book I was gonn ask if you'd read and I can't remember the name of it but someone mght post it!

Good luck hun it sucks ae?!!!
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I let her cry for 5 - 10 minutes then go in a resettle, I try be quiet, no talking, dim lights etc.

I never let her get to the point of screaming as she usually has a bad night if that's the case!

Do you put her down in a dim, quiet/calm environment? Does she have nights where she settles easy - if so what do you do on those nights that is different to the nights like you described above?

Lily settles well usually if she has been kept up a little longer e.g tonight she was up at 3.30 but when I tried to put her down at 5.30 she wouldn't have a bar of it so gave her a bath at 6 as she was still happy to play etc and she had a feed and went to sleep by 6.30. She has a night routine or pattern that we keep the same which is bath, story, feed and burp then bed. I try put her down sleepy but not asleep.

That's just my opinion and my dd is a lot younger than yours but I hope maybe something might be helpful!
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How long has this been going on? Could it be a phase, teething, sick?

Sorry i have no advice to offer but i do remember going through a similar thing with dd at that age. It got to the point where i just wanted to scream. It can be really hard.

One day i just decided to stop making a fuss, if she wouldnt sleep that was fine, id let her play until she nearly fell asleep on the floor. It was annoying that i never had time to myself at night but that was better than screaming & me getting stressed out. After about 2 weeks of this she started going down again with no problems. It was around the time she got her 4 top teeth also
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I have a baby like this too. No advice, just much sympathy. I'm thinking about moving to cosleeping to see if that helps. The book is the no-cry sleep solution by elizabeth pantley. It has some good advice, but its hard work when you are shattered.

Where in Wairarapa are you? Tararua has excellent support services for mums (they have been a godsend for me).
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Yes, just wondering if she's teething? Also recommend the sleep sense programme to you - but you first need to rule out if she is in any pain, ie. get her checked out at the Dr and signs of teething. Try pamol in case it helps her settle. My baby is 8mths and is behaving strangely re: sleep at the moment and teething is all I can put it down to. He's quite clingy.

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NB: if you want to read about the sleep sense programme, I'd be happy to email it to you, just PM me.
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One thing we tried when we'd been stuck in horrible sleep habits for months was to stay in the room next to the cot, and do everything we could to calm DD down (so patting, rubbing back, stroking forehead, talking calmly etc), but we didn't pick her up. We'd give her cuddles in the cot, but just refused to pick her up (and told her that too). Very hard to start with, and don't know how that will work if you have your toddler to deal with as well but might be something to think about?

For us, the first night was the hardest and there was alot of screaming at multiple intervals but I felt that at least I was there with her. The second night was a bit better and so on, until by the end of the week she had got the message that we would help her go to sleep, but there wasn't much point in carrying on as she wasn't going to be picked up. We also made sure she had lots and lots of cuddles just before bedtime.

We did this at just over a year, so don't know if it would be totally appropriate at 8 months, but might be something to consider. I know how horrible it is when they only want to sleep on you (and we didn't have a toddler at the time! )

I agree with making sure there's nothing medical happening either - ears might be something worth checking.

ETA: since we did this (with the exception of some illnesses along the way), she's pretty much slept right through for almost a year now. Hard going for that first week, but worth it for us! Also wanted to add that DD was not feeding during the night at that stage, but that might be something else you have to take into consideration.

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Oh gosh I could have written that post myself, my 10 month old is the same lately and she is really doing my head in, she screams every night for ages before falling asleep.
I go in and out trying to settle her, I have tried shhing patting rocking staying in the room music, you name it ive tried and nothign works, she just wants me to hold her or she wants to stay up!

My girl is teething, so we think this is whats causing it, so Ive been giving her pamol before bed, and tonight its worked yay! but after half an hour of screaming so badly she went bright red.

Its very stressful, I also have a 2r old, but my husband is home too, we usually tag team at settling her.

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are you putting her down soon enough? she may be over tired which would make her very hard to settle. also do you swaddle still? i would recommend the shush method over CIO at 8 mths old.

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OMG, I could have written this post! I really sympathise with you
My 8 month old can no longer resettle himself after a horror past two months of ear infections, teething and now a diagnosis of reflux! He is on medication which is definitley helping so the screaming is no longer in pain, but he is doing my head in! Last night I eventually got him into his own bed at 1.30am and was then up every 15 minutes until 4.30 resettling him!
I can't let him CIO (not my ideal solution to be honest anyway!) because we have a 3 year old down the hall that I don't want woken up. I have tried patting, swaddling and shushing which all used to work when he was smaller, but all he actually wants is to be picked up and rocked! Last night at 4.30am we finally found a setting on his Fisher Price Aquarium that he responded to, and this along with the radio on bought me 4 hours sleep! I know that this won't last forever, but I can't wait until we have a routine back!
I will be watching this thread for any new ideas, but really just wanted to let you know that you are definitley not alone!

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I remember there were a few times where jimi would all of a sudden change his sleeping/eating/playing routine and one of those changes was around 8 months.

I can be so hard to find out what it is they really want...

Just wanted to send you some strength as the lack of sleep is one of the hardest things I think
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We raised the end of the cot and that made it easier for putting josh down after swaddling and rocking him to sleep as he didnt seem to notice.

There was also a period of time where we gave him pamol before bed each night and because it worked i put it down to a period of bad teething.
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Is she possibly playing on you coming in and out etc? DD would scream and scream and scream and then as soon as we walked in stop because thats all she wanted just us and to be picked up and cuddled. We did the sleep sense programme... I should say I did because DP wasn't home and isn't tough enough for it and she started sleeping through that night, our problem wasn't really waking at night it was not going to sleep unless she had her dummy.

Just recently she started acting up again and we got into a habit of helping her sleep again I decided to be tough and let her cry, took about an hour and she went to sleep. It helps that we live with my parents so mum would go in pop her back down tell her it was sleep time and leave.

Is she likely to settle if you leave her alone completely? I only ask as some kids including my nephew find it hard to settle if they are constantly picked up and put down, patted, touched, stroked etc if you just leave them to it yes they cry but they settle quicker then with constant interferrence


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sorry for the very late response have just popped back on here and rememberd bout my post.

tried the whole patting/rubbing back, music and light ( her mobile has a light on it), tried wrapping her - she gets her arms out every time, since she always wanted to be held would giv her cuddles leaning over the cot but so that she was still in there an i wasnt actually bringing her out, let her cry it out an then go in an resettle her. would give her a bath to calm her down an then try again etc tried so much things,

i would definately say she could be playing on it though, she stops if you walk into the room and she jus smiles and giggles away but as soon as leaving the room shes getting really worked up again, think its a behaviour thing. she used to sleep throughout the night from 6weeks until april when she got her 1st flu and that messed her whole routine up.


after 3 days of getting only a couple hours sleep a night being so drained ended up setting up a portacot in the bedroom with my fiancee and i, put her in there and she went straight to sleep, after her goin straight to sleep in this for 3 nights in a row we decided to move her cot in, she is now sleeping through the night, only up once if she wakes and goes down without a fight.

so i guess we just wait a little longer before putting her back into her own room, will start off with day time naps and slowly move her back in there.
xx.Chloe&Kayahs.Mummy.xx
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Thats awesome news .. I mean at least you are getting some sleep!

Isabelle ended up sleeping in our room around about that age (after being fine in her own) .. but it only lasted a little while and she was back to "normal" again.
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