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The lady at Plunket said today that normally babies grow to fit your pelvis. So those that produce small babies at full term will do so for babies after that. I dont think that would apply to IUGR or prem babies though
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From the research I read about it, it is diff for iugr and prem, as opposed to just making small babies. Apparently iugr babies are usually from a number of factors that are specific to that pg, so doesnt mean you will get an iugr baby 2nd time around. sorry, one handed typing with jack in my arms!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tishy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2008 at 8:47pm
Bobbie that's very interesting because my twin sister was a 4lber at full term , I was 7lbs.

It was the blood flow reduction in the placenta that was the final decider for my c-section also.

My placenta got sent away for analysis, I've yet to hear the results. It'll be interesting to see what they are though
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote emz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2008 at 8:50pm
OMG Tishy, Eimear and Aoife are so cute in your new ticker photo! Just delicious!
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Oh and thanks for the kind word too girls
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bobbie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2008 at 10:13pm
Wow Tishy they look like they're doing so well. I love the photos of them.

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How are the girls doing now Tishy, specifically little Aoife? I thought I'd revive this topic as recently I asked a question in the "ask our experts" section & got this response:

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My son (7 months) was born at full-term but was quite small (2.3kg). I see on my hospital discharge papers that he was classified as "IUGR - unspecified". I didn't have any scans past 20 weeks so it was a bit of a shock & surprise when he was born. I have started to think ahead to baby #2 & am wondering what will need to be done diferently next time.
Can I still use a midwife as my LMC & is it simply a case of having a growth scan(s) to check on baby's rate of growth during the later stages of pregnancy?

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Obstetrician Dr Anil Sharma replies:
The average birthweight for (assuming) european babies is 3.5kg so yes, he was small. Obstetricians are trained in the detection and management of IUGR pregnancies.
There are many causes in general including poor nutrition during pregnancy, smoking, drugs, pre-existing medical problems including antiphospholipid syndrome, excessive exercise and pregnancy associated problems (eg pre-eclampsia and diabetes). There can also be placental problems and infections and finally fetal problems including abnormalities. There are also many, many cases where a 'cause' is never found out.
An obstetrician will be able to advise you about preconceptual blood tests you may need and the need for prophylactic treatments such as aspirin. Obviously your future pregnancy will require close surveillance.
In New Zealand you can use a midwife LMC but to be frank, you are asking an obstetrician, so I would advise that best practice involves an obstetrician. If a private one such as myself is outside your budget, then a midwife LMC should refer you for a plan to a public one, but bear in mind that tests and any prophylactic treatment need to be initiated before pregnancy and in early pregnancy respectively.
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TBH this worries me a little. I was thinking that I'd use a MW again & just have some more scans past 20 weeks . Does anyone have any idea how you go about having the tests he mentions before you get pregnant? I don't think we can really afford an OB so I'd prefer to use a MW who will refer me to one at no cost (is this even how it works? - I could be completely wrong). I tried talking to DH about it but he doesn't really think it'll be a huge issue. I didn't really think so either but after reading Dr Sharma's reply I'm not so sure. Eeek. Maybe Liam can be an only child
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Sally, I really wouldn't worry about it too much. Under our health system, if your LMC feels you need an OB, you will be referred to a public one. I was for IUGR (also saw a private one for a while but couldn't afford it anymore) and they were better than my private one to be honest. My one was $150 per ten minute appt and then if you conceived, it was $75 for every appt after that. Being there for the birth was $2500 so hence I had a public OB there.

You will probably just be referred for scans every 2-4 weeks from 20 weeks until you reach about 30-32 weeks then fortnightly until birth to monitor.

But as that response says, most IUGR is specific to the pregnancy and doesn't mean it will happen next time around. Our reason I think was Jack was restricting his cord when he starting turning breech to normal.

So yeah I wouldn't worry about Liam being an only child. They will take care of you as its your right as a NZ citizen. Just talk over your fears with your m/w and if you plan on using the same one next time maybe give her a call now to talk over it. I can understand why its hard though cos you never had an answer as to why Liam was IUGR. And I guess the thing is because you carried so normally (not like me or Topsy where it was obvious we didn't have big babies) that you should be referred for scans as obviously the FH thing they do from your belly button wasn't very accurate.

Anyway, hugs! So many things to think about for next time ay?
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jack wasn't 'classed' as IUGR but was only 2610grms at birth and was on the 20%percentile on the IUGR growth chart.........i had no special care during my pregnancy with charli and she was 3350gms at 41wks



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Blake was induced at 36 weeks because he was IUGR - was 2080gm at birth and spent 2 weeks in SCBU. My mw said it was because my blood pressure went up at around 30 weeks so I was monitored from then and it was found that he wasn't growing well.

I hadn't considered doing anything different if and when we have another child, I asked my mw about my chance for subsequent pregnancies and she said that if it's another child with the same partner then your chances of an IUGR baby go down because your body is 'used' to it, but with a different partner the chances are the same. I would be happy under mw care again though because my mw was super on to it and looked after me really well and from then I was under hospital care as well anyway.

Blake is now 14 weeks old and probably around 5kg and goes generally 5-6 hours at night - I'm guessing it might take longer for him to sleep through until his weight comes up more? How old or how much did your baby weigh before they were sleeping through? I know it must vary hugely but it might give me something to go by!

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Yep Jo I think it does take longer, my baby wasn't IUGR at birth but was in utero until a growth spurt at 38 weeks so was OK when he came out (3.4kg) but had a really small tummy which meant he was hungry. I gave him a dreamfeed so he slept through at 9 weeks but has woken up at 5am for the last few months due to hunger.

You could try and shove as much milk in to him during the day as possible? I think they *can* sleep through from about 6kg or something, but it really depends on the baby unfortunately.
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Gabrielle was a small baby at 3.02kg and was a week overdue, not specifically IUGR, but there was a concern during my pregnancy cos at the 20 wk scan they discovered that her umbilical cord only had two vessels ie one artery and one vein instead of two arteries and one vein. Therefore we had about 6 scans towards the end of the pregnancy the last one was at 38 weeks and three visits to the obstetrician at the hospital. She was at about the 25th percentile for everything but was growing okay.

Her cord when she was born was pretty fragile though.

She now is up to around the 50th percentile for her weight and height.

Your midwife sounds like she was pretty onto it anyway and I don't think an obstetrician could have done anything else other than monitor your bp and the growth of the baby, the midwife can refer you to an obstetrician if she thinks its necessary anyway, then it won't cost you anything but you will get peace of mind. It sounds like you know the reason for the IUGR too which can be helpful for future pregnancies.
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Sally I see the clinic our MW's worked from offer an 'elite' package where you can get Janet and Paul together. Maybe you could check into it. I'm guessing you'd just pay for the OB since the MW would fall under the gvt funded LMC?

Anyway those were the two I had last time around and I highly recommend them both - they're lovely.

Janet mentioned that for me to get Paul just for the birth would be around $2000 which isn't bad really.

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There's now just 150gs between Eimear & Aoife. Aoife is a greed for solids so I'll be interested in their next weigh in as I'm weaning them onto formula currently too.
You wouldn't even know that Aoife had been so much smaller at birth.
They're both around 6kgs now. They dropped to the 10% percentile at their 6 month NICU checkup. (had been 50% & 25%) They had just started solids and had a cold for 2 weeks so not really concerned. It does mean we get another checkup with the Paed before Xmas though


My Obs told me that Aoifes IUGR was as a result of twin pregnancy. So if I had a singleton pregnancy I'd be unlikely to have a small baby.

I'd be happy to go back under my Midwife again if I had a singleton pregnancy. If it's twins however, I'll be going for a private Obs. I don't fancy doing the public system with 2 toddlers in tow
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oh my gosh if you have twins again I will worship the ground you walk on supermummy

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my baby was born via emergency c-sect at 38 weeks due to distress. He was 2.1kg so around 4 and a half pounds, it was as he was being pulled out that the ob said "looks like he stopped growing 6 weeks ago".  I was under a team of obs (sally you know who!), and none of them picked up that he had not grown (and i was seeing them weekly due to problems i was having with crohns disease at the time). 

 

at my 6 week check, i asked if there was anythng they would do differently for pregnancy number 2, and the reply was no, its just one of those things!

 

anywho, my little man is not on the 50th centile for head, length, and weight! so he was caught up well (bless him!).  Up until about 3-4 months (from memory) i was feeding 3 hourly during the day and on demand over night.  Before that it was 3hrly day and night (i shudder at the memory!).

 

Looks like there are a few IUGR babies on here!

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My son was IUGR because he had stopped growing and was born at 35w 5d via emergency caesarean after a 12 hour labour. He is now 5.5 and is in the 50% percentile for his height and weight.

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