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    Posted: 01 April 2008 at 8:49pm
Hi again,

I'm sorry to post again, but I had another question. Our son is settling well after about 20 minutes of crying, is this too long to leave a two week old baby? We do check on him to make sure he doesn't have wind / need feeding / is too hot / is too cold.

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I personally wouldn't leave a baby that young to cry that long. He''s still getting use to being in the outside world. We tried other things instead like rocking the basinette and patting our lil guy to help him sleep rather than just leaving him to cry it out.
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Personally, I wouldn't leave a newborn to cry at all - they're so fresh out of the womb everything is new and unsettling.   I guess it depends on what you consider crying though - whether it's just a bit of noise or full-on screaming. Not really much help though, sorry. Just do what feels right.
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Yeah I would not leave a baby that young for that long either. I dont leave Isla for more than that now (17 months) and we do do the CIO method.
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Thanks for the suggestions! I am going into the nursery and patting him and singing quietly to him. He settles while I'm there and will begin crying again when I leave the room. Today he was awake from 9.30am til around midday.
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It's okay to have him sleep on you or in a sling if you don't mind it yourself (I know it's good to get a break from them) - there's plenty of time to foster independence over the coming weeks and months (and years!).
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Originally posted by monster monster wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't leave a newborn to cry at all - they're so fresh out of the womb everything is new and unsettling.   I guess it depends on what you consider crying though - whether it's just a bit of noise or full-on screaming. Not really much help though, sorry. Just do what feels right.


I agree. Personally I don't leave Jack to cry at all, he is rocked to sleep which I quite enjoy - I am not a fan of CC or CIO.
If you are worried about "forming bad habits" then apparently babies don't form definate sleep associations til about 4 months.
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CIO for 20mins at a time is quite a lot for a 2 week old baby, especially if you're talking about every day. Is he still hungry? Little babies need heaps of little feeds all the time. Work with your midwife/plunket nurse as much as you can in these few weeks so that you feel properly established with feeding and sleeping routines before your midwife discharges you. It's always easier to do this kind of thing in person than on forums... but in saying that, don't ever feel like you need to apologise for posting a question on here! We've all been there and there's a tonne of stuff to learn in baby's first year.
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Crying is his only way of communicating,..at this age he is just learning what the world is about. He needs to know u will be there to cater for his every need! Slings are a great idea, he gets to feel close to you and be coforted by your heart beat and warmth, and u can still move about and use your hands for other stuff!

Im sure plunket etc dont recommend leaving bubs to cry til at least 4 months.
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my mw told me too..:( but i dont..well i do leave him to grizzle now..and have done for about a week..but when he starts to cry we replace the dummy calm him then leave the room again.. i couldnt stand to hear him cry esp in the beginning..!! we tried letting him cry once and it broke my heart..but as he gets older he will be trying controlled crying.. my mistake was using a dummy..I'm up and down and up and down sometimes! whenever Ethan cried(esp for first 6 weeks) he needed something.. even if it was just reassurance.. we never really rocked him though..sometimes but hes mostly been in his own bed or bouncer since day 1.
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back in my mothers day they were told to never leave a baby, especially boys, cry for more than ten minutes because of the risk of giving them a hernia...

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Originally posted by nicci nicci wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions! I am going into the nursery and patting him and singing quietly to him. He settles while I'm there and will begin crying again when I leave the room. Today he was awake from 9.30am til around midday.


might be over tired or going thru a growth spurt!

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I wouldn't leave a 2 week old baby to cry - in fact I hardly leave Gina to cry ever and she's almost 14 months. I think babies/toddlers need to know you're there for them and being there when they need you is really important to me
    
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have you tried swaddling baby before you put him to bed?
i didnt start CIO til much later and we hardly have to do that, 2-5mins is the max id leave any baby, my daughter gets 20mins but shes 2.5yrs.

have you tried a dummy? as bad as they are sometimes they can also be godsends, i couldnt have got by without one with james.

good luck i hope bubs settles, he will be very overtired atm
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I couldnt even let Issy cry for 2 minutes  I figure It was my choice that she is in this big strange world so its my responsibility to make her feel safe and loved

Ive found she is soo much easier to settle now as she knows Mummy is always there

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I heard that leaving a new born baby crying for longer than 5minutes can hurt their diaphram, i was so against dummies for Eden as well, but now she has one and i couldnt be without it!

9.30am to midday is a long time for a newborn to be awake, maybe is he getting overtired and unsettled??
I know there is a video/dvd you can get (from Plunket) that can show u signs of baby being tired, maybe that would help? if you could see his tired signs and put him in his bassinette, he might settle easier, faster and sleep longer

good luck hun, we are always more than happy to help here!
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Yeah I second that dvd, helped us heaps to learn the signs. We were told Isla shoulnt be awake more than 1 hr max.
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9:30-midday is very long for a new bubba. We onyl had Daniel up max an hour in the beginning.

If she is going to cry when you leave the room what we did was pat and help him get to sleep and then sit by the basinette so he could see and then very slowly move out of sight (completely soundless) and just leave the room once he couldn't see us anymore.
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Hi Nicci. I agree with the others. I wouldn't leave a 2 week old to cry at all. Babies that age can't actually form bad habits. I know it's hard at the moment, I had a newborn that never wanted to sleep either and hardly ever slept more than 1.5 hours day or night but if you can try and find other ways to settle him you'll both get a bit more peace.

Some of the above suggestions are great - how did the patting work for you? I'd also second using a sling or front pack. Have you tried lying with your baby (in a moses basket or on the bed beside you). A bouncinette (ours was electronic and vibrated). A baby hammock. Rocking in your arms until asleep and then placed into basinette (I found it was easier to get her to stay asleep if I held her for 10 mins after she fell asleep then put her down).

I hope some of these help.
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Thanks again everyone. This morning we have been much more relaxed about his sleep. He feed at around 10am this morning and then fell asleep on me at about 10.45am. I put him in his bassinet and he is just begining to wake up now at 1.30! I'm going to stick with the 1 hour up maximum and give him more time cuddling with me. You guys have been excellent, I was feeling completely useless last night. :-(
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