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    Posted: 04 November 2009 at 7:55pm

Hi, I recall a few people saying they've used the natural fertility clinic to help them with their TTC. Currently I'm going to have a couple/few months before our frozen embryo transfer, and wonder if this should be something we consider?

I want to get healthy and change lifestyle and figure doing this in conjunction with attempts to improve fertility may be wise?

Is there much point when DH has had a failed vasectomy reversal?

Anyone know what the ChCh clinic is like? Any ideas of the cost overall - looks pricey from the website, is it worth it?

Any help appreciated!

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Hi tischler .

Sorry to hear you have to wait awhile for your next transfer.  I haven't had IVF, but did take longer than 'normal' to conceive both my children.  I saw a naturopath when TTC this baby, and although there is no definitive proof I have a gut feeling that this played a major role in the success of this pregnancy.  She prescribed Vitex to regulate my cycles and some horrendous tasting herbal mixture that had rosemary and I forget what else in it to boost my fertility.  Both are slow working, and she said not to expect anything much until I'd taken them for at least three months.  On the fourth month DH and I also both took zinc supplements for the first two weeks of my cycle. That turned out to be the month we conceived - so perhaps all we (or just him or I) were lacking was zinc, who knows!  Anyway, in my mind it was well worth the expense.

The naturopath I used is based in Hokitika and doesn't specialise in fertility, so sorry, that's not much use to you.  But I did meet a wonderful Irish lady, Linda Baker, at the Homebirth conference last month who you might like to contact?  She's a homeopath (also a midwife) who has recently moved to Christchurch, and seemed very knowledgable and helpful.  Here's a link to her website

I think its great you want to take some time to focus on your own health and wellbeing while you're waiting, why not aye?  The medical fraternity don't seem to have much faith in alternative treatments, but many natural remedies have been used for hundreds or even thousands of years - surely we've learnt something over that time?   All the best xx

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I am not sure if you have read any of my posts about us doing natural fertility but I think it would be a great thing to do in preparation for your transfer. It can vary in cost but I think it is well worth it.
I had surgery for endometriosis and then had a number of miscarriages. My husband and I very reluctantly went to a natural fertility clinic and did not think we would have the results or hope we now have. To be honest we are going to stick with all the changes and our lives have undergone a huge change.
We go to a clinic in Auckland and see a lady named Loula, she is awesome. But I hear they have a clinic in Christchurch and it's great too so check out the website and take it from there.
http://www.naturalfertility-womenshealth.co.nz/
Cost wise it would depend on what they do but our initial consultation was $130 and then $50 for each monthly follow up appointment. With both of us being on herbs and undergoing the detox it's averaged out to $280 every two months for both of us. I have also been doing acupuncture for two months now and it's $85 per session but well worth it. Then there is the one off cost of changing cleaning products and personal hygiene products over to organic or eco friendly. The cost of the organic food is really not that bad so don't take that into consideration because the little extra you spend you save on not eating junk etc.
If you have any questions please feel free to ask or even give me a call and grill me as more than happy to help.
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I can highly recommend Jo Barnett at Natural Fertility in Chch. We went to her in between our first and second IVF cycles this year. I am now 14 weeks pregnant. I still take supplements and regularly email her. The initial cost is quite high - we've spent about $3000 over 7 months. I figured it was cheaper than having to pay privately for another round of IVF. Even if you just go for the initial consultation and see what you think. She has a lovely manner and lets you know your options without being pushy.
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Hi Tischler,
I would look into the natural fertility option while you have a couple of months before your next transfer. I suppose it just seems like another huge expense after all you have been through. I wonder if you and DH can go for a consultation and decide from there if you wish to pursue it. Like Tulips mentioned it will be alot cheaper than another round of IVF! Best of luck whatever you decide.

Tulips, great to hear you are hanging in there, last time we chatted you were having 2 weeks off work to stop the bleeding, how are you going now? Just read your post you are now 14 weeks - wow that has gone so fast, so wrapped for you, I hope everything has settled down and you are enjoying being pregnant! So can I ask if you know if its a boy or a girl???


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Hi Tanners
Are your thawed embryos on board?
I had a scan after the 2 weeks off work and although the baby is fine, the doctor told me not to go back to work. My pregnancy is very high-risk. We are going for the anatomy scan on Dec 10th. So should find out the sex then? My tummy is larger than it should be due the fibroids and I'm still getting used to strangers commenting on my body.
Let me know how you are getting on.
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Hi Tulips
Unfortunately neither of our embryo's survived the thaw. Me and DH are so so dissappointed, moreso because we never got to have a transfer at all because when the embies were fresh we couldn't get them in and now on our TER - they did a mock transfer which went perfectly but this time it was the embies that didn't make it. aaarrrrrggggh so so disappointed.

Sounds like you are having a tough time with this pregnancy, I really hope you and baby hang in there and things settle down for you really soon.

take care.
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OMG Tanners, that's absolutely gutting for you. What's the plan from here for you?

Just to let you know, I've booked in with Anita at Natural Fertility here in ChCh (Jo is really really busy). So we will get on board with that by the end of the month, and if necessary delay the FET until my body is playing ball.

Looking at how many women on here get pg on their first or near first embryo transfer, I am really starting to think there's something wrong with my body, so I'm really interested to see what Anita comes up with!

I agree with Tanners too Tulips, take lots of care, and I hope your scan in Dec goes really well for you

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Hi Tischler
So great to hear that you are booked in with Anita, It will be interesting to see what they say and what kind of results come from that. By the way does that include accupuncture as a treatment or is it more dietary and herbs? All the best and keep me posted!

Yes it seems there has been a few 1st time success stories of late but from reading these forums theres also alot struggling for years so I don't think you can compare. Its just hard waiting I know.

As for next steps for us - we were accepted for a public funded treatment (last one was private) which starts in January. It feels a bit soon now but I know thats because I'm having a tough day. I had an appt with our DR at FA today and I think he was as disappointed as we were we didn't get our transfer, just glad we will be able to stick with him on our next treatment as it feels like he's really looking out for us and doing everything he can.

Well I'm off to have a nice glass of red wine... ooooh and looking forward to a morning coffee tomorrow... nice.

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Hi Tanners, just thought I'd drop in with an update. I've just posted on the IVF chat thread which has most of this too.

Anita has made diet recommendations and herbal remedies/detox plan. She's doing lots of tests from which she will add in other bits and pieces as necessary, and then will give some additional remedies for when we do the transfer and after.

So fingers crossed, I know that if it doesn't help our fertility it will help general health so that's fab. I'm slowly making the diet changes (don't want to go cold turkey as I know it won't last that way), and we'll put off using our frozen embies till prob March/April to get me right on track first.

Our public funding availability won't kick in till aug 2010 (well we get on the waitlist then) then it's about a year after that so I'm considering whether we will want to go ahead at that stage or not. It's a long way away yet, and hopefully we get pg from our frozens, so won't get too caught up at the mo.

Looking forward to a nice Xmas break - going on hols to Queenstown and Coromandel (lucky me). Hope you've got a nice break planned before your next cycle in Jan - it's not that long away - good luck!!
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Hi Tischler, great to read your post on here as I was wondering how you were doing and interested to know what was involved with the natural fertility route.

When you say they are doing lots of tests - are these blood tests/ hair analysis etc or??? It does actually sound quite thorough, and with you and DH making great embies but not getting your BFP's after transfer it definitely seems worthwhile progressing with the treatment. Best of luck!

Have a fab time on hol over xmas - I love queenstown, you'll have a ball. Me and DP were heading off for a holiday but have instead bought each other a persian kitten for xmas! So wrapped especially after we lost our little 'Suki' a few months ago, our house just isn't the same without her so when we saw these 'twins' online they just melted our hearts and we had to have them. So we will drive up to Tauranga from Wellington and stay a couple of nights up there instead and bring the kittens home for xmas - just in time for them to demolish the xmas tree and all the decorations
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Just thought I'd drop in an update. It's been an interesting couple of months 'naturopathically'.

We introduced all the full fat yoghurts and milks and the supplements Anita gave us, and I'm really enjoying it. She gave me a book called 'whole life vitality' which has some yummy recipes and info in it, which we use too.

Find it weird to have 1 tbsp of extra virgin olive oil a day though! Seems like an instant fat fix!!

In addition my results from the hair analysis they sent to USA came back - deficient in magnesium, calcium and lithium, so more concoctions for me!!

All my blood work came back fine, however, and this is the biggie, the 'bacteria' in my uterus and reproductive tract (ureaplasma and mycoplasma) came back as a high titrate (so has been there for a long time).

Apparently this bacteria can cause recurrent miscarriages, and in surfing the net, can cause failed implantation. There's not enough evidence for the medical model to support the theory (as apparently healthy fertile couples can have the bacteria) but it's just another avenue to explore.

So DH and I have both been on a 5 day course of AB's (kick butt strength) to try to rid ourselves of it. I go back in a few weeks to see if it's clear.

The thing that really amazes me though, is that I noted one of the silent symptoms of this bacteria is nocturia (peeing during the night) and I've done this for as long as I can remember usually once, sometimes twice, a night. Ever since I had the AB's - I sleep right through!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So stoked!

So if anyone reading this is considering a naturopath as an adjunct to the fertility experts I would highly recommend it.

Anyway, best off and do some housework now before DH comes home and sees I've successfully done nothing since walking in the door from work!!
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