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Topic: No heartbeat, but what happens now Posted: 08 November 2012 at 3:09am |
I went for my 12 week scan yesterday and my little bump had no heart beat. The baby was smaller than at our 8 week scan so when my midwife heard the news she rang me and told me I was supposed to just wait for nature to take it's course. Apparently bleeding could happen at any stage for the next week and my mw said "I will probably reabsorb a lot of it"!!?? I lost a baby at 16 weeks and was given more options than playing the waiting game. So now, other than grief and insomnia, I'm paranoid every time I go to the toilet or I get a back ache, cramp or any twinge.... I was wondering if other people were given options?? And what choices are available?
I know may sounds callous but we're supposed to be going away for a wedding this weekend where we are staying with 12 other inlaws. I really don't want to be feeling like this for up to a week. Or spend the weekend in the bathroom. I just want it all to be over so we can move on and start again.
Any advice or suggests would be greatly appreciated. I think my hormones are all over the place and I really can't think straight.
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Posted: 08 November 2012 at 1:13pm |
I am so so sorry Bubble.
When I had a MC, I was offered 3 choices - let nature take its course, medical management (a pill to induce a miscarriage), and surgical (a d&c). My OB said I could choose any of them, but he would recommend the first, although by this stage I had started bleeding. He was happy to do a d&c if I choose as this is covered by my health insurance. If I wanted medical management, this could be done through the early pregnancy clinic.
Hope this helps.
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Posted: 08 November 2012 at 8:33pm |
Oh Bubble I am so sorry to hear of your loss! I am the same as SpecialK. My midwife referred me to the Acute Gynae Assessment at the hospital and they went over all three options there. I agree it can be awful to play the waiting game and you have a right for both your physical and mental health to be given the options and choose which one is right from you. I would either get a second opinion or refer straight to the hospital or early pregnancy clinic (depending on where you live). Your midwife sounds terribly unsupportive. I hope you get some answers and do what's right for you. If you need someone to vent to, feel free to PM me. Hugs.
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Posted: 08 November 2012 at 10:21pm |
HI Bubble-so worry for your loss. I thought I was ten weeks but went for a scan yesterday and baby was 7 weeks. Talked to the midwife by phone and she said these days they recommend the natural approach and was like you in limbo. I was already bleeding a bit (started spotting Sunday night) and last night I miscarried naturally,. My midwife had said whe would give me a week to miscarry then refer for d and c. Maybe a second opinion is a good idea, I so understand what you are going though and hugs xx
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Posted: 08 November 2012 at 11:15pm |
Thank you so much for your support and sharing your experiences with me, even though they aren't nice to dwell on.
I ended up ringing my mw at 8:30am and asking for other options. She said she would talk call the hospital and get back to me which was what happened yesterday. I have found hospital doctors seem to think it's easy to wait for something to happen, like there is no stress involved with waiting. Anyway, after she said that I decided to see my doctor who used to deliver babies (thinking he may have more knowledge in this area). He rang the hospital to find out more about the pill, and was told it could take a few days to work. I'm not sure how realistic that is. But they emphasised that if I wanted to attend a wedding on Saturday I would probably have severe cramps that day and the next. (for some reason if I was to let nature take it's course there was no mention of cramps.) I previously thought the pill it took about 12 hours to get things started. But that was not what my doctor was told by the hospital. My mw rang back in the afternoon and said she will get me on a waiting list for a d&c next week. So turns out I'll have to wait at least a week.
I'm feeling quite manipulated and rather frustrated now. I hope I'm making sense. My doctor did at least give me sleeping pills just hope it doesn't happen while I'm knocked out. Paranoia!!
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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 9:48pm |
Hi Bubble Sorry to hear what you are going though hun. I also had a missed miscarriage and found out at my 12 week scan that our baby had died at 8 weeks. I was given the 3 options already mentioned and chose to have a D&C. I didn't feel strong enough to cope with letting nature take it's course especially given the time already passed since she died. The D&C was fine and all over before I knew it. Consider all your options and chose what is best for you - not what someone else thinks you should have. Hugs and best of luck with everything x
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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 1:38am |
Hi, I'm sorry you seem to be not getting the three options everyone else is offered! It certainly is hard waiting, and I can fully empathise with just wanting it over, and being able to move on.
I've had two miscarriages, both silent (I never started miscarrying naturally). Both babies stopped developing at 8 weeks, found out the first time at 12 weeks, this time at 9 weeks (so much better!)
The first time I tried the D&C, which was fine but I had an (unusually) slow recovery. This time, I chose the medical management. Here in Ireland they use Misoprostol, which I believe is used in most places. I was admitted yesterday. The first dose is vaginally, then 4 more doses orally, 4 hours apart. It can vary greatly how fast it works, mine started working within 3 hours. It was not painful for me at all. Mild to moderate cramps, I didn't even need panadol. I was scanned this morning, and had passed everything (I was happily shocked - I hadn't passed much at all). I am home now, the next day. I guess the only downside I can see to the medical management is that you do see all the products that you pass out. It's a bit 'tidier' the other way. But for me, this was a far, far better experience. I will be able to go back to work on Monday - after the D&C I needed 10 days off. The general anaesthetic really knocked me around, and I bled a lot more after the D&C. My GP also said that it's wise to try and avoid having surgical instruments in / around your cervix and uterus if at all possible, as there is risk of scarring and infection. If you choose medical management, there is a 10% chance you may still need a D&C if everything doesn't come away.
Now, the pain can range from none / mild (like me) to much stronger (described like 'mini labour'). I found this forum extremely helpful, where people described their experiences with Misoprostol (also known as Cytotec): http://www.pregnancy-info.net/forums/pregnancy_loss_miscarriage/my_experience__misoprostol_cytotec_for_miscarriage_/
Best of luck with this process, and especially good luck for the next time around! Em
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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 11:53am |
Bubble, you are going through such a hard time! I am shocked at the low level of care you are receiving. Where abouts are you? They should admit you into hospital for the medical management option.
I had the medical management and was admitted into hospital for the day to have it done. I took a pill (mifiprostal) on Sunday at the clinic and went home, and then went in on Tuesday for the Misoprostal pill. They gave them to me orally and within 1 and a 1/2 hours I was cramping. The cramps were managable with panadol. After a couple of hours, I started passing clots and tissue etc. I didn't have to look at it, I could just put the lid down on the toilet and then the nurse would come and take it all away. They needed to inspect it all to make sure all the tissue had passed. I passed the embryo separately from the sac etc and the nurse asked if I would like to see it. She had cleaned it up and put it in a little speciman jar. I did see it and it was the most beautiful and healing experience. Dh saw it later too and I think it was helpful for him. I had a bit of trouble passing the placenta and sac so I ended up having a doctor come and just coax things out a bit - all pain free. As soon as the sac etc was out, I stopped bleeding. I was home in bed by 8.30pm. It was a bit messy and not totally pain free but I healed really fast, and my periods got back to normal straight away. It was definitely the right choice for me. We got to take the embryo home and buried it under a lovely rose bush bought in it's honour.
Everyone is totally different but I just knew I couldn't wait for it to all happen naturally and wanted to be in hospital where I could be taken care of and given any pain relief I might need. You can have bad cramping and bleeding the natural way too but I think most women find this method the most straight forward - as long as it happens easily! I didn't like the idea of a D&C because of the risk of scarring etc.
I hope this information has been helpful. You keep pushing and sticking up for your rights! You are a grieving Mum and deserve to be treated with gentleness and respect. Don't stop until you get it! (That's the mother lioness talking:-)) Good luck.
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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 3:56pm |
HI Bubble,
I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I had a miscarriage in July and like others on this thread I got told of 3 options. I got a D&C done as my I was bleeding but my cervix was still closed. Not too sure how long it would have taken otherwise and like you I wanted to move on. Make sure that if you get a lot of bleeding or severe stomach cramping to go straight to the hospital.
Thinking of you.
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Posted: 12 November 2012 at 11:28am |
Thank you so much everyone for all your support. It has given me a lot more strength to tell people in the medical profession that the way I have been treated is not right. I shifted to Nelson a year ago and this week I feel like I have shifted to the 1950s.
My midwife did ask the hospital to arrange a D&C for me, but now I have read all your stories I would have much preferred to have medical management, (which has still not been offered). I had a D&C when I had a partial molar and felt robbed that I didn't get to see my 16 week old baby, for closure. I had never been warned that a D&C had a risk of scarring.
The nurse rang from the hospital on Friday to tell me I was booked in for a D&C on Monday morning, but when I told her I wouldn't be back in Nelson by then she got very sh*tty and rude. I tried to explain I had a wedding but I must have inconvenienced her day and she was not happy. I rang back later in the day to find out if she was able to re-book me but she was very short with me, like I wasn't her problem to deal with.
I was so worried that the miscarriage would start as the bride walked down the aisle at a lake front wedding, and I would have to make a run (which we all know wouldn't be possible) for the car, with a long drive back to the accom. But everything seemed to happen on Sunday night over about 1.5 hours. I'm not sure what happens now. I'm sure I'll need a scan but feel a bit like the problem child no one wants.
If anyone knows who I should be writing a complaint letter to, or has gone through a miscarriage in Nelson and had a supportive midwife that they could recommend, I would really appreciate it.
Thank you again for sharing your experiences. I have learnt a lot that doctors/midwifes don't seem to share. I hope I never have to go through this again and others treated the same way will know they are able to push for what they want. I do feel like my grief has been replaced with anger though which isn't good.
You all have done the job of supporting me through this. Even though I didn't think I was strong enough to wait for it to happen naturally. Thank you so much!!
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Posted: 12 November 2012 at 5:06pm |
Oh Bubble, I cried reading your post. It's such a hard and painful thing to go through and your description of a lost child that no-one wants to deal with is very apt. I would definitely make a complaint - probably several! One for the rude nurse, and one for the way the hospital has treated you in general, and possibly one for your midwife. At least you know not to get her next time (and I am sure there will be a next time). I'm so sorry you have to go through this with so little support from the very people we think should be there to care for us. I am glad you can come on here and get some sort of support. I hope you were able to enjoy the wedding and now you can get on with grieving your loss. Hopefully you can get some time to yourself over this time. Hugs xx.
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Posted: 12 November 2012 at 7:56pm |
Hi bubble I have been thinking about you today and so glad you are ok, although it sounds the way you were treated was terrrible. So glad you got to go to the wedding. Although my midwife has been fairly supportive I do feel like miscarriages seem to fall in the too hard basket- many women don't have a midwife yet when they miscarry and midwives i am sure don't like dealing with mc. I think it should be clearer whose job it is to support women through miscariage-not just the event but the aftercare too. Sorry i am not in Nelson so can't help there but a complaint letter sounds like a very good idea. For me I know the next step is getting my hcg levels tested at the end of the week, a friend has suggested I ask to repeat this so I know it has fallen to 0 that way I know there is nothing left. A friend suggested I ask for an internal scan to double check but i am not going to do that. I found the actual miscarriage a bit traumatic and am a bit suprised that they encourage us to go through that with so little support. Bubble you have been through such a tough time- you are doing so well.Hugs xx
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Posted: 24 November 2012 at 9:14am |
I can't tell you how happy I am to read this forum - happy in a sad way :-) We went for a scan yesterday expecting to confirm that we were 9 weeks along and was instead told that the baby had no heartbeat and had died at about 7 weeks. As it's a Saturday, I can't see my GP till next week, I hate the idea that there is something 'wrong' inside me and that I'm just stuck with that. I honestly am so shocked. It's unbelievable how much you can love someone you've never met.
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Posted: 25 November 2012 at 3:18pm |
Two pink lines - so sorry to hear that. I hope you have lots of support around you at this time. If there's anything we can say, any info we could help with, or you just need to vent to people who have been down the same road, this is the place! Let us know how you get on. xx
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Posted: 25 November 2012 at 10:04pm |
Bubble- what awful treatment you have had. Did you find someway of complaining formally? Two lines - I found it really helpful to read back over the other pages on this MC forum to hear how others felt and coped, or didn't. It's very good to make your range of feelings more normal, otherwise I think it can feel very isolating and crazy. The 'everybody' forum is good too. The Auckland Miscarriage Support website is a great resource and I highly recommend visiting it, the info is relevant for anyone not just Auckland based. I also had my mum read it and my partner. Good for other close people to help them understand how best to support you. Take care of yourself mamas.
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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 2:11pm |
Two pink lines I hope you are doing ok. We went for a scan at 10 weeks and th baby had died at 7, that was a couple of weeks ago now. I hpe you have made it through the weekend ok and get to see the gp today. I miscarried the night after the scan but for some people it takes longer and as hopefully you already know there is the option of a d and c or drugs to induce miscarriage. One thing I wish I had known more about was what a miscarriage can be like for different people, not to scare myslef but just so I would have been more prepared. I agree with pepi that the Auckland Miscarriage Support website is great. I know what you mean about loving something so much you haven't met yet. Look after yourself and things will get better although its hard to believe that right now xx
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