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Inlove28
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 2:15pm |
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Why do you say it's a much better start for bubs to deliver it naturally? (Genuinely curious - I didn't know it was). |
The third stage of labour is when you deliver your baby's placenta and membranes. Whether you have your baby at home or in hospital, you can choose how you do this. The choice is between a managed or a physiological (natural) third stage.
A managed third stage involves an injection in your thigh as your baby is being born, as soon as his first shoulder is delivered. After the birth, the cord is clamped and cut immediately. The injection then causes the uterus to contract strongly and the placenta to come away, so that it is delivered quickly. You do not have to push or do anything with a managed third stage, as the midwife waits until your uterus contracts, and then pulls gently on the cord to deliver the placenta.
The advantage of this method is that it is over quickly, usually in five to 10 minutes, and in most cases within 15 to 20 minutes. There is little blood loss and a lower risk of you experiencing heavy bleeding. The disadvantage is that one of the drugs used, ergometrine, may make you feel or be sick, or give you a headache. However, many maternity units now use a single drug, oxytocin, which is less likely to cause these side effects than syntometrine (a mixture of oxytocin and ergometrine).
A physiological or natural third stage means waiting for the placenta to be delivered naturally. This usually takes about 20 minutes to happen but may take up to an hour. Breastfeeding and skin-to-skin contact with your baby will help your uterus to start contracting and help the third stage along.
You also need to actively help the delivery of the placenta by pushing, preferably in an upright position, perhaps squatting or kneeling and leaning forward onto a support. Cord clamping is delayed until the cord has stopped pulsating. This means that your baby gets more oxygenated blood from the placenta.
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Inlove28
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 2:17pm |
Also not sure if its just my midwifes or not but they need it in writing which option I choose of course things can change once you get to labour
My husband does feel strongly about giving bubs that extra blood and oxygen
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 2:46pm |
I had the jab. It worked great. The placenta came out a couple of minutes after the baby. I didn't even notice. I had a complicated labour and birth though so it's lucky i had it. I lost 2 litres of blood and tore twice, as well as other things. I'll be having it this time too even though I'm planning a drug free birth.
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 2:50pm |
Inlove, the injection doesn't need to be administered right after the first shoulder is out - I was there for my nieces birth and my sister opted for one about 5 mins after she was born.
I say go for your drug-free labour, - I still had my skin-to-skin, then handed her to hubby while I birthed the placenta. Waiting for it wasn't on my mind - I had a beautiful bundle in my arms
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 2:54pm |
I've had the injection with all mine tho with the last 3 i didn't have a choice as i'm a high bleeding risk, but i would of choosed the injection if i had a choice.
Hmmm reading the above post about the managed 3rd stage " A managed third stage involves an injection in your thigh as your baby is being born, as soon as his first shoulder is delivered. After the birth, the cord is clamped and cut immediately. The injection then causes the uterus to contract strongly and the placenta to come away, so that it is delivered quickly. You do not have to push or do anything with a managed third stage, as the midwife waits until your uterus contracts, and then pulls gently on the cord to deliver the placenta."
I had the injection after bubs was born and had to push it out with sme help from the Dr.
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 2:56pm |
Thats what i had mamma2N about 5 mins after Tess was born
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 4:20pm |
I was going to the naturally but after an hour there was still no placenta and no urge to push or anything happening so we did the jab. I think I"d try to do it naturally next time but if I had the jab no biggy.
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 5:05pm |
I had intended to have the injection however before I had the discussion with the MW I ended up having an unexpected homebirth (with MW present). I completely forgot about the injection and was never offered it. The placenta took about an hour and a half to be delivered and I was completely over it by that stage - I just wanted to get on with things. So I am opting for the injection this time round because I can't be bothered waiting that long again - it was annoying!!
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 5:21pm |
Seems like heaps are having the jab. Im still not convinced thou.
Also remember reading in info from Midwife that when bubs lungs expand for the first time there is extra blood needed to fill in an area (all new to me this...) just seems like its the best option. But if its a tricky birth then of course I will go with the safest option.
Thanks for all your input
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 5:21pm |
Some studies recommend delaying cutting the cord for at least 2 mins after the birth. They found that babies 6 months down the track had higher red and white cells.
"While higher amounts of red blood cells means lesser chances of anemia and higher iron reserves, more white cells mean more number of ‘soldiers’ to battle infections."
Just another thought to consider.
If all goes well I plan to deliver placenta naturally, and delay cutting of the cord.
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 7:04pm |
My mw gave me no choice but you know what I didn't care lol She gave it to me cos of how long I had been pushing. T the end of the day I had DD and was focused on her
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 7:20pm |
I had the jab after Daniel was out, not during or after his shoulders were out. Id be surprised if any MW could handle that cause they often fly out once the shoulders are out lol
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 8:45pm |
I had the jab with DS1 but not with DS2. With DS1 I just did as I was told and because it was 'normal' I allowed it even though I wasn't 'at risk'.
When I got pregnant again I had a whole new plan, alot more information and I knew that I wanted to do EVERYTHING as naturally as possible, right down to the planned home water birth. I knew that I could opt to have the jab if I needed it but can't take it back once it's done. I wanted delayed cord clamping because I wanted to him to get as much of the goodness that he could get. We spent plenty of time skin to skin in the pool and I handed DS2 off to DP to 'deliver' the placenta about 25 minutes after he was born; with a squat and a push it was out.
I think the 'risks' of not doing so didn't outweigh the 'benefits' of doing it so we didn't.
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 9:01pm |
With DD1 I had the jab, I'm not sure whether I really 'consented' to it or not, but the midwife also applied cord traction and THEN I had a massive postpartum haemmorhage which left me needing a transfusion and 5 days total in hospital, not to mention a really crap recovery in general.
With DD2 it was completely physiological, no cord traction no nothing, and the placenta came away on its own after about 20 minutes or so - all I had to do was stand up and push just a little. No abnormal blood loss and I was in the shower no more than an hour after she was born.
We also chose not to cut DD2's cord immediately, I think we left it for an hour or two and then cut it. Inlove28 is right when she mentions that because of this (delayed clamping / cutting) the baby receives a good supply of more oxygenated blood, and I also felt there was no rush to sever the connection my baby had to this vital organ that had provided her sustenance and comfort for 9-odd months.
I also find it interesting that there has been mention of the synto shot to expel the placenta being used to help prevent PPH and thus 'manage' the third stage - I have come across evidence that this is not necessarily true and is sometimes even the cause of PPH along with cord traction.
Side effects of the having the synto jab can include nausea, headaches and increased risk of retained placenta.
I'm not saying the synto jab doesn't have it's place in third stage, but there are definitely a lot of other factors to be considered when you're making that kind of decision.
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 9:40pm |
hmm im starting to remember the reasons why we decided not to have the jab last time (even though i ended up having it). Its amazing the information you forget after a year
I think the plan this time will be same as last time. Waterbirth and then a physiological third stage while i cuddle baby. It is a very good point that you can always have the injection 5-10mins after birth or whenever if it is decided it is needed.
interesting what you said hippymama about it sometimes causing bleeding. Now that i am actually thinking back i remember my midwife saying that sometimes having the injection can actually make this worse as they have to help pull the placenta out which means a greater risk or some of it being left behind - this is what i remember anyway.
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 9:40pm |
I was not going to have the injection - even if we were it was going to be after the word had gone limp and been cut! You can give the injection ages after birth (eg 1/2 hour) if you feel things are taking too long.
My MW forgot I hadn't had the injection, and applied traction to the cord, whereupon it evolsed (came detached from the placenta). So I had the ecbolic, and had to get vertical and push the placenta out while DH cuddled Lydia. Then was stitched back together again.
edited to remove extra word - must be bedtime!
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Posted: 26 September 2009 at 8:40pm |
Inlove28 wrote:
AuntieSarah wrote:
Why do you say it's a much better start for bubs to deliver it naturally? (Genuinely curious - I didn't know it was). |
he advantage of this method is that it is over quickly, usually in five to 10 minutes, and in most cases within 15 to 20 minutes. There is little blood loss and a lower risk of you experiencing heavy bleeding. The disadvantage is that one of the drugs used, ergometrine, may make you feel or be sick, or give you a headache. However, many maternity units now use a single drug, oxytocin, which is less likely to cause these side effects than syntometrine (a mixture of oxytocin and ergometrine).
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I decided beforehand I wanted the jab as I had read about the risk of bleeding heavily and that scared me. I would get the jab next time too.
Like the other girls, it was over so quickly and they got down to stitching me up while I could hold my beautiful son.
Good luck on your decision.
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Posted: 26 September 2009 at 9:00pm |
I've had it after all of mine, first time coz I had a long labour and was exhausted, second time coz it was twins and the risk of PPH was higher (and I had a small PPH afterwards).
With lil miss, there wasn't much point in a physiological third stage as her cord had to be cut during the delivery to allow her to be born (she was strangulating herself with it, and as soon as it was cut, she shot out like she was on a skateboard according to one of my support people  ). I didn't have to have the jab as such as I''d had synto during labour so my midwife just cranked it up again.
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 1:04pm |
I am reserving judgment until I have actually given birth to our baby.
There are so many variables, and it will depend on lots of things, as to whether I have it or not.
Like everything else you have to "decide" on your birth plan, it could change for reasons beyond your control, and I don't want to be disappointed if things have to change.
Keeping an open mind and a flexible plan.....
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Posted: 29 September 2009 at 11:39am |
At antenatal classes we were discussing the managed third stage and were told how a lot more women have the jab with their first child than with later children. I thought that was interesting and wondered if it was because of bad side effects or shorter labours generally or what?
The educator told us it was a combination of shorter labours, and so not needing it because you're too tired to do that bit/over it, and because there is less fear/nervousness the second time, so women are often happier to let things happen naturally. She said subsequent labours have less intervention in general.
It really made me feel better about our decision to not have it unless it proves medically necessary. Especially as most people I know had a lot of intervention and sometimes I feel like a bit of a crackpot! While I can appreciate wanting it over with to move on to the good stuff (or at least the stitching!) a lot of my decisions have been based on not wanting to be rushed. So I'm crossing my fingers we just get some calm(ish) skin time while waiting for the end of the process.
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