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Delli
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Topic: Unpasturised milk and products Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:19am |
We live on a dairy farm and so have access to unpasturised milk. I haven't been using it so far (calving hasn't been going long anyway) and have been using bought bottled milk instead.
What I'm wanting to know is - is it ok to use in cooking? Of course, I wouldn't drink it straight and won't even put it in my coffee in case the coffee isn't hot enough but if say I'm baking or making something like porridge in the microwave (using milk instead of water) - would it be ok to use the unpasturised stuff? I was also thinking of making mozzarella cheese this season to go on our pizza's - as long as it I'm not eating the cheese cold and it is super melted on the pizza would it be ok to eat?
Have tried looking on the NZFSA site and they do have info on raw milk and raw milk products - but I can't find anything on if they are ok to eat when cooked.
TIA
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newme
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:32am |
It says on this site that cooking should kill listeria: http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/nutrition/foodsafety/cheeseexpert/
But maybe you should double check with your midwife - it isn't something to take risks with.
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 2:35pm |
Yea, the NZFSA guidelines are weird on that one - they read as if it's not OK, but I've never understood why not. For example, they specifically say that some off-limits foods are OK if heated piping hot - but that unpasteurized milk shouldn't be eaten at all. But in theory, all pasteurizing milk is is heating it.
So I don't have an answer, but have had the same questions as you. I've avoided it just to be on the safe side.
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 2:58pm |
I think it would be safe if you are using it in baking, as long as what you are making gets cooked right the way through im sure it will be fine. Im from a dairy farm too and my family has drunken unpasterised milk all their lives and no one has ever gotten sick. Its a personal choice really.
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 4:33pm |
I think it should be fine cooked, but I'm a worrier so I'd probably boil it first to be sure.
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lisame
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Posted: 01 August 2010 at 5:06pm |
Hi Delli
we had this conversation with our GP when I first got pregnant, as we only use unpasteurised milk from a local farmer. He explained exactly what the concern is (listeria 99%, very little else) and that listeria is killed by heating. So long as whatever you are using is heated well and through, boiling's not really necessary.
the other thing to bear in mind is that listeria is a bacteria that grows after the milk comes out of the cow - it's hygienic to that point. So our GP's advice was that if we wanted to keep using the unpasteurised milk, then just make sure it's fresh - no more than 2 days old - and stored well in the fridge. You can look up websites that show the growth of bacteria in milk - the first two days there's very little, then after that it starts to pick up rapidly - thus the 2 day rule. Pasteurisation doesn't really require that much - look up how long and how hot milk needs to be if you're interested.
I'm still using it for everything (waits for the gasps of horror) and we just make sure that I don't use it (unless in something cooked) if it's been more than 2 days since we got it from the farm. The farmer has a fantastic record on hygiene and every load of milk collected is tested - he's not had any problems with any bacteria for about 15 years.
We think the health benefits from unpasteurised, full cream milk straight from the cow outweighs the very very VERY small chance of listeriosis. But that's your call - and as long as you cook it, you don't even need to worry about that.
Maybe a chat to your GP might be more helpful than your midwife..?
ETA - I'd forgotten you're just up the road! You probably know who we get our milk from. And our GP is at the Phoenix Health Centre in town if you wanted someone to talk to about it. He's great.
Did you end up with Twink as your midwife?
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mylilmosaic
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Posted: 01 August 2010 at 5:16pm |
We are dairy farming too, and I agree with everything lisame has said. Just got our first jug of fresh milk yesterday, and the only reason I don't drink it is because I use green top to try and avoid weight gain.  But I certainly wouldn't hesitate to have a glass of milk in that first day or two out of the vat. And I use it in my cooking all the time.
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 9:27am |
I have put of getting a home milking cow bacause of being pregnant. Plan to get her once buba is a couple of months old. We want to try for our second child quite soon after. Do you think there is any danger is hand milking while pregnant?? Risk of bacterial infection etc??
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 11:10am |
Call the FSA helpline - they were really helpful when I rang up demanding to know why it was that hummus was on the banned list (listeria in the tahini). They didn't even treat me like a crazy person!!
I left a voicemail with them and got a call back 20mins later!
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