Vaccinations???

This has come up on here a few times and I am pretty sure I am the only one who hasn't vaccinated my child, although some have refused some of the vaccines or delayed them.

We read up on the vaccines and what put me off most was the list of ingredients. I also don't like the fact that a genetically modified version of the germ goes into the blood stream which in turn means it goes straight to the brain. I think nature is a beautiful thing and that it is better for him to be exposed to and build up a natural immunity to things. Most of what they vaccinate again are generally not life threatening anyway. I don't believe in jabbing everyone to save a few. Case in point the new pneumoccal (sp?) vaccine, its says on the ad that there are only 150 cases a year and it didn't state how many are fatal so I expect maybe 1 or 2 but they are going to give the vaccine to 100,000s of babies. In my opinion (and that is it all it is before people get upset) I think that is over kill, especially as the small print of the ad is filled with side affects etc. It seems to me they are potentially creating a bigger problem than the one they are trying to solve.

Same with the Vit K, in the uk they have done research which shows that if they only gave the vit k jab to high risk babies there would be 7 deaths a year, yet they still just give it to everyone even though there are potential cancer links and it causes jaundice.

A good website for support for parents that don't vaccinate is www.ias.org.nz, also it helps to have a gp that understands as well. Our has not been at all pushy about them and supports our decision and that helps a lot.

Hi, Thanks for your replies.
I thought there wouldnt be many mums on here not vaccinating. But I am surprised at the level of trust everyone puts on our health and saftey board when its been proven, that the MeNZB vaccine was never tested... And i have been told by my doctor that he wouldnt let his child get this new Prevena vaccine! The facts from the US are there for anyone to research.
Our doc has been pretty supportive but the reaction from friends and family about our decision has made me doubt it.

The book we read, given to me by my midwife, Investigate before you Vaccinate was very indepth about all the vaccines. not just about the ingredients (aluminum being a widely used ingredient) but about how they are grown, ie on human fetal tissue and various animal blood.
I dont want to go into it, it freaks me out too much and i dont want to start a fact war.
We didnt get vitimin K either, its so highly produced in your breast milk anyway.
But thanks Cuppatea, you have helped me remember why we opted out in the first place.
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We're thinking of not doing the Prevenar for DD2, we've delayed it so far but the more I delay it the more I realise it's not something I want to do. We are doing the other vaccinations though.

I was sitting on the fence about the MenzB injection for DD1, not sure whether to do it or not. We got it done and now they've pulled it and all this info has come out about it not being very effective for long and I'm so p*ssed off that I didn't listen to my gut and not get it done. This has also influenced me not wanting to get the Prevnar for DD2 as well.

It's such a hard decision, but I agree with Emz:

emz wrote: The main thing is to be comfortable with whatever decision you make and to know that in your opinion, it is the best one you made for YOUR baby.

I was the same with the vit K Teresa, if his birth had been a rough one then we would have given it.

do any of us know what the long term effects of the vaccinations are? they are still relatively new, and like you alianasmummy i am suspicious of the jabs. how do we know what toll they will take on bodies in the mid to distant future?
i feel the same about sunscreen, this generation of children are told to apply these chemicals every day. what will their skin look like after 40 years? 50?
its a scary thing

I just remembered I posted a similar thread a wee while back, something about non immunisers, Ill see if I can find it and bump it up for you

These kind of threads just remind me that you really need to be comfortable of your decisions at the time cause no matter what we do or don't do gievn 20 odd years it'll all have been wrong i.e sleeping on tummys

Bizzy wrote: kriss wrote: do any of us know what the long term effects of the vaccinations are? they are still relatively new, and like you alianasmummy i am suspicious of the jabs. I think you will find that most of the vaccines they use now have been around for a very long time and were probably given to us as babies, even the vit k. unlike the menzb which was a relatively new vaccine and only ever intended for short term use. vaccinations are a tricky thing and like someone else said be sure of your reasons and base your decision on facts...

The vaccines today really can't be compared to those of 30 yrs ago, they are completely different. There was no MMR for instance, and there were no where near as many things that they gave injections for.
I remember having the polio on a sugar cube but now I thinks its combined in with the tetanus one. Plus they now use genetically modified strains of the viruses which they didn't even have the technology to produce years ago, so vaccinations might have been around for years but these vaccinations haven't.

Well i know that one of the polio vaccinations that the Government flooded NZ with, had a disease from the Monkey kidney that they grew the vaccine from.they never screened it prior. We all now have the disease SV-40 which causes cancer. it also gets passed on through the generations. This has been widely published and proven, it was their stuff up for not testing.
I also know that they still only randomly screen any new animals for known diseases... So im dubious from the outset.
I dont know what the long term effects will be of injecting other animals DNA into our bloodstream will be but they might just need our vaccine free kids in the future. I guess we will see. As you said 2bmumof3 What ever we do now will be wrong at some stage.
To Emz its so tragic that you have been hit so closely by Meningitis, I would probably do the same if i was you. But its not relying on others to eradicate the diseases, this will never happen just through immunizations, there would have to be a natural decline too ie. meningitis, its relying on our own bodies and nature to fight it and come out on top.
Like everyone says, its your own choice what you decide one should be able to shame you for it.

In the book "Investigate before you Vaccinate" it mentioned that some of the side affects of certain vaccinations are reoccurring ear infections and some have been proven to lower your immune system not boost it.
There are a number of factors that could have caused my sons allergies, but there are no food allergies in my or his fathers families so it has started from an outside cause. I am just suspicious of the vaccinations thats all.

The infected polio vaccine was definitely taken off the schedule however the standards of testing have remained the same. The US authorities recently tested a batch of eggs that were growing the MMR vaccine and a large percentage were infected with diseases. These would have gone into circulation. I want to know why they dont test them BEFORE starting so theres no chance of infection. Also scientists can only test for known diseases, what kind of new bugs are getting through??

I really didnt want to start a fact war, i know there are very strong cases for and against and i definitely understand why others get the vaccinations, the benefits can outweigh the risks and worry.

I was really just wanting to hear some stories from other parents that have opted out, and their reasons for doing so.