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Just for my own curiosity Alianasmummy, who writes/publishes that book?
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I'm not getting into a fact war either, but the new Prevenar vaccine has actually been proven to reduce the incidence of ear infections in susceptible infants/children as it immunises against pneumoccocae which is one of three most common bacteria which cause ear infections. ENT specialists have long recommended that parents of children with ongoing ear problems pay for the Prevenar vaccine as it wasn't available on the national schedule.
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In my experience its always hard not to start a "fact war" when discussing the immunisation subject, its such a controvercial issue. I just try to remember that everyone really only tries to make the best decision for their child with the information they have.
After a lot of reading and researching, we decided not to vaccinate our children (now 11 and 7), pretty much for all the reasons already outlined in this thread - the ingredients and the fact they contain "animal bits", the lack of convincing proof that they really do work without some sort of long-term effects. I don't think I'm relying on people who do vaccinate for our children's health as I don't believe the vaccines are solely responsible for the decline in the illnesses anyway. There are so many aspects to the decision we have made and we do not regret our decision, though we have been repeatedly questioned about it. I've found though that medical professionals respect our decision once they realise that we made an informed choice not to vaccinate.

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I had given back the book to my midwife but looking on the web there is a website www.ias.org.nz The book is written by Susan K Calridge. It has been screened by a doctor and a lot of doctors and scientists backing the information gathered and even some high-ups in WHO.
Thanks Genie. Its good to know there are more people out there with the same point of view.
My doctor respected my decision too but he sure grilled me about it. Its so backwards!
Our playcentre was really good, surprisingly there were quite a few other mums that were the same, the only thing they do is ask you to stay home if whooping cough or something else is going around. i think i would stay home anyway, vaccinated or not!
I was advised by my doctor not to get the Prevena injection as we are not in the at risk group. It has some scary statistics from the US and we dont want them repeated here.
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Just out of interest was Xavier born via c section? We have no allergies in either of our families but Spencer is allergic to diary, eggs and peanuts as well as some other things we think he is allergic too, like parsnips that they couldn't test for. We saw an allergy doc a couple of months ago and apparently being born by c/s increases the chance of allergies cos they aren't exposed to the right bacteria at the birth (vaginal births they ingest some of mums poo and the bacteria in that sets up there guts against allergies, he explained it far better than I ever could).

Also the relying on other people vaccinated their children comment. This could not be further from the truth, like Genie said there are lots of other reasons why the disease rate has fallen, Scarlet fever has shown the same decline as the other diseases even though it isn't immunised against, education, better nutrician and living conditions are far bigger contributors than the injections which don't give immunity anyway (they are just designed so that childrens immune system should recognise and fight off quicker, doesn't mean they won't get it). As I also said in one of my posts I want Spencer to build a natural immunity, that is contradictory to relying on other people immunising. Our philosophy is that we believe children should be exposed to and build a natural immunity, in no way what so ever are we relying on herd immunity.

I respect any parent that makes the decision to immunise their children and I would never and have never told anyone that they shouldn't, so please do not make incorrect assumption about why I haven't immunised my child.

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Yay go cuppatea! And no Xavier was born vaginally with no drugs. I was on antibiotics though when he was 4 days (couldnt stand being at home so i went for a walk, not the best idea when you have stitches ) But the allergy specialist didnt see why that would have done anything.

My Aunty is head of Emergency at a hospital in England and she mentioned Almond oil.. It has been linked with peanut allergies and English specialists recommend not using it on newborns. I was told by my midwife and plunket to use it on my sons skin and bath. It could be a combination off all the factors.
Whatever it was he is now anaphylactic to peanuts and egg whites and we have to have an epipen where ever we go. Luckily i have been super vigilant and we have now been 2 years without using it! He will be tested again in Jan so fingers crossed
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Our allergy doc gave us a probiotic to give Spencer, lots of research has been done to show how much they can help with allergy kids, might be something to ask about in Jan if he isn't on something like that already. Spencers is just in powder form so I mix it in his porridge and he is none the wiser and as it was from the allergy doc its diary, egg free etc. Was pricey though $45 for one jar

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Yea, Xavy has been taking it for ages, when i remember. Another good one is bee pollen. As long as they arnt allergic!! Its really just to boost their immune and digestive systems which is always good
Xavier seems to be getting better, and just the 1 cold all winter due to all the immune boosters ive been giving him. touch wood.
Dairy is a tough one, i did the self diagnosis for a bit (so not what to do) and took him off dairy and wheat. I was actually relieved when i found out it was egg and nuts! It was virtually impossible. i got a good cook book though, Friendly food, that helped.
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We were quite lucky with the diary one in that he had a reaction when I weaned him onto formula at 3 1/2 months so before solids. I was paranoid about all other foods so the egg and peanuts just came up on his allergy test at 12 months, so glad I was paranoid about it. We kept him completely off soy until he was tested as well, so glad he was negative to that as it has made live a lot easier, cos if things don't have diary in they tend to have soy and it means now he can have tofu and soy yoghurt and other bits and pieces.

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Sorry cuppatea, I just reread my post and didn't word it very well. I was trying to get across the point of that it is proven that deaths from diseases on the immunisation schedules has reduced due to the abilities of said immunised children to fight the diseases off before its too late.

So I'm very sorry if I offended you, I completely respect your decision, although I'm sure you're aware I don't understand it (as you may not understand ours, and I feel both ways is OK).

Thanks for the info on the book, I *think* I may have read it from my doc already.
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