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Topic: Very unhappy little 5 week old baby Posted: 17 October 2008 at 6:45pm |
Hi all. I have a totally unsettled and unhappy little girl. We have had problems from day one with head/neck pain, but now the problems seem to be tummy related. After some feeds (not all) she is in incredible pain and screams and screams and screams for around 1-3 hours. During this time she is pulling up her knees and flailing her arms like a wild animal. The pains seem to come in waves/spasms i.e she'll get a pain and scream, then it goes and she calms down and relaxes, then another one comes and again she screams and then it goes. At the peak, they're so close together that she just screams all the time, then the pains get further and further apart until she's relaxed enough to sleep. Five out of seven evenings a week it happens (roughly) and sometimes at other times during the day but not with so much severity.
She is also extremely unsettled at times during the day - she will grizzle and cry and won't go down to sleep, or she'll go down for 10 minutes then start crying again. She fights sleep - everytime she starts to fall asleep she wakes herself up by moving herself or fighting to keep her eyes open. It takes a lot of work to get her to sleep when she's like this - rocking, jiggling, shushing and often I have to stroke her forhead and basically shut her eyes for her - then she might fall asleep.
On top of this, her bowels aren't moving very well. She was only going about once a week. We took her to a paetiatrician and he prescribed Lactulose (fibre to get her bowels going) and Ranitidine to help reduce production of stomach acid. We have been using it for about 2/3 days and I'm not convinced it's helping her. She has poo'd more in the past few days, and she's still unsettled, and yesterday she was pretty much awake and crying from 3pm - 10pm, with screaming for the last 4 hours. She would go down for around 10 minutes but that's all. It was our worst evening so far.
She is normally really good during the night, with 4 hourly feeding and sleeping well.
She hasn't gained much weight since birth, mostly likely because she isn't sleeping very well, and is burning so many calories screaming.
My husband and I are just at our wits end with her - it's heartbreaking to see her in so much pain.
We are also taking her to an osteopath weekly, and are open to any suggestions. I just don't believe this is normal baby behaviour. But I don't know how to fix her....
PLEASE HELP!
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kebakat
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 6:52pm |
Poor bubba - take her back to the docs if you feel ranitidine isn't working. It doesn't work for all bubs and she may need something different like losec.
With constipation we found that lactulose didn't really work but we found watered down prune juice FANTASTIC always for getting that side of things going. I'm not sure if you can give that to a 5wk old so maybe that is worth asking about. You didn't say if she was formula or breast fed. If she is formula fed you may need to try another brand as some constipate and others don't. Also if you do bicycle movements with her legs it can help get things moving but that does take some time and can be difficult with a bubba who is flinging themselves about.
Does she have wind as well? Cause that can cause alot of pain for them too
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 6:53pm |
Is she on formula? If so it could be an allergy to that, that would explain the constipation and also the upset tummy/reflux, or if breastfed she could be reacting to something you are eating, i.e dairy, gluten. Other things could be colic so you could try gripe water before feeds, elevating the head end of her bed to help the wind come up more easily and not wake her once she is asleep and spend at least 10mins sitting her upright after feeds to get the wind up.
I was also gonna suggest seeing a chiro but as you are already seeing an osteo probably not much point.
I think with the ranitidine sometimes it can take a while to get the dosage right, i've heard people talk about baby gaviscon as well but not sure if that is along side ranitidine or instead of.
 cos it's not nice having an upset bubba
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:10pm |
Firstly, big hugs to both you and your husband  - the sleep deprivation etc with a new baby are bad enough without this sort of stress. None of us will have all the answers but you've certainly come to the right place for support. I have just a few things to say that might be helpful, but please bear with me if I'm not telling you anything you haven't thought of.
- Unfortunately poor sleep is a bad cycle. Once they get overtired it's harder to get them to sleep, and so they get more overtired, and so on  So you need to make sure you're being super vigilant at looking for tired signs and putting her down as soon as she displays any, for the first sleep of the day in particular.
- It might seem obvious, but a lot of her 'symptoms' (pulling her legs up, and the fact that she only goes down for 10 mins before becoming unsettled again) sound like she is having issues with wind. There are a couple of good threads on here for clearing wind, if it's that simple. Personally the technique where you leave them lying down for 30 seconds or so after a feed while rubbing the tummy in a clockwise direction, then lift them up under the arms to stretch thm out, then sit them on your lap (supporting them by the tummy) to burp works well for us, but I know it doesn't necessarily work for everyone. You could also try a remedy for wind such as Infacol (sp?) or Colicmed.
- Has she always had problems with her bowel movements? eg did she pass meconium within the first 24 hours, that sort of thing? My nephew had a lot of the same symptoms you're describing and he was eventually diagnosed with Hirschsprung's Disease - basically as far as I understand it part of his colon was missing some nerve endings that pushed the poo through, so he only 'went' when his bowel filled right up, causing him quite some discomfort as you can imagine. It was easily fixed with surgery, although he had to have a colostomy bag for a while, and he has no problems now. I'm not saying your wee girl has this but it's possible there might be something up with her digestive system somewhere - I'd push your paediatrician to give her a full workup.
- It's a crude saying of mine, but you'll get the drift - like dogs and wild animals, babies can smell your fear! So chances are because you're tired and stressed it won't be helping her any. Whereabouts are you? Do you have family support? Is there a chance someone can come and rock the baby for a while for you to take a long bath, or a nana nap? Alternatively, are you anywhere near a Parent's Centre so you can spend a day there, and they can help you with feeding, winding and settling, and you can get some rest? If you are anywhere near Auckland please feel free to PM me and I would be happy to come and give you a break if you don't have any other support.
BIG BIG HUGS - you are not alone, others are going through this all the time, and I'm positive it won't last forever
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:19pm |
Huge hugs. Our daughter was very similar. Unfortunately we never got to the bottom of it but it did slowly come right.
Hang in there,
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:25pm |
Oh Kelly, big hugs - that post brings back so many memories of my older daughter it made me want to cry just reading your post. She started at about 3 weeks and if someone had told me that to get her better I needed to see a snake charmer, I would have been on the next plane to Bombay  .
BF was not going well for us and I switched to formula, and at about the same time we went to a cranial osteopath. This combo did the trick for us. As the others have said - do you have family support? My mum just arrived one day from Auckland (I am in Welly) and that saved me!! It is so hard to ask for help sometimes as we expect ourselves to be superwomen, but do ask.
Hope you and you wee girl get some relief and help soon
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:45pm |
its hard to give advice without knowing a few things, like formula or breast fed, swaddled or not, how long is she up for at a time.
my initial thought was also wind and the method mentioned by weegee is very good... i know my son used to get very bad wind and the only thing that helped him was a teaspoon or two of cooled boiled water.
parents centre is also another good idea that weegee mentioned too...
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:46pm |
Oh no, bigs hugs to your guys!
Umm, its really really sounds like she has very bad colic! thats generally what babies do when they have it, scream and scream.
My boy had, but no where near as bad as your wee girl, but we used Infacol before each breastfeed and now he is formula fed he has it in his bottle and that helped him bring up his wind SO SO well.
You could also try the Weleda colic powder, i never ended up using ours but we had it on hand just incase, you can get it from baby factory.
Also, when you are feeding her, try and stop every 5 mins or so to burp her, I found putting my son on my knee and leaning him forward was really good, and also putting him over my shoulder and patting and rubbing circles on his back gently helped a lot aswell. And lots of tummy time, as that helps push the wind up so they can burp.
Does she burp a lot when you wind her? If she doesnt, just keep trying different burping positions to see what works best, the moving them around often helps move the wind pain.
Also, my son got constipated and I gave him a little bit of warm(boiled) water with some brown sugar and that really helped. Is she breast fed or on formula? if its formula she might need a different brand as some dont agree with certain babies, if she is breastfed, then maybe try to eliminate certain "windy" foods from your diet.
I hope that helps. I know how very hard it is to look after a newborn when they are screaming and you just dont know why.
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 9:17pm |
The only suggestion I can make that others haven't is for you to consider taking her to a cranial osteopath.
Big hugs, I'm sorry to hear you're having such a hard time of it.
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 9:48pm |
Wow, thanks for the speedy replies!!
I will answer some of the questions - she is breastfed. My mum is onto me about complementing her with formula, and I really don't want to at this stage.
She generally does burp when I wind her. But if she doesn't, I don't notice a difference in her behaviour - it's always pretty bad!!
She's just gone down now (9.30pm) after another evening of crying and screaming. She woke at 5pm for a feed, and didn't settle very well after that - whinging, crying etc. I topped her up at 8.30pm and then she screamed until about 9.20pm. I had a Big Mac for dinner! Not sure how windy that is.
I used to use colic powder, but didn't find it really helped. Was also using Infacol but stopped that once I got the prescription stuff as I thought I was putting too much into her. Also tried a homeopathic remedy called Nux Vomica. Not sure if that did anything but also have stopped that.
We have her bed slightly elevated, and when she's unsettled, we sleep her on her side as she seems happier like that. We also wrap her for sleeping.
She's a big white noise fan too. She has one of those Slumber Bears and loves really loud, violent heart beat type sounds!!!
Bizzy, you mentioned using boiled water. Did you give it to your son immediately after every feed?
Weegee, with regards to bowels - she passed her merconium really easily; 3 times in the first 24 hours. But then she didn't go for nearly a week, so we used a suppository to get her going. It worked and she went a couple of times, then stopped again. She started only going on Fridays!! But the Lactulose got her going quite nicely, but just didn't help with any of the other problems.
We have good support from our families and can call on them whenever we need to.
I have also been told about the Family Centres and am considering spending a day at one when she is unsettled next during the day. See what they make of it.
Thanks so much for all the replies. Appreciate any advice.
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:00pm |
 Kelly
No real further advice i can offer you, but do come and say hello to us girls in the September 2008 mums and babies forum - great bunch of ladies and we are continually offering each other advice / support for all our baby related issues - always good to have more mums join in
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:06pm |
breastfed babies often dont go every day. I know Tom went 10 days without pooping......freaked me to start with but great looking back now But I dont know about little bubs.
Definately try the family centre. I have heard good things about them.
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:09pm |
Have you climbed into bed with her and just fed her on demand to see if that helps at all? Just spent the morning in there snuggling.
I've read on another site, that if you think it's Colic it probably isn't. I read somewhere that newborn crying increases from birth and peaks around 6 weeks. So you may just be experiencing the start of this.
For those unsettled times I recommend holding her this way.. it works, I used it with all 3 of my kids, especially Cooper he loved it when I jiggled and bounced while holding him that way.
magic hold
If all else fails, I would be going back to your GP.. Good luck.
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:24pm |
nzpipers right, breastfed babies dont poop regularly. i would possibly stop the lactulose and the other stuff too. i know eden was a poop every feed girl in the beginning, then over a week between them and now at 7 mths is a once a dayer...
other things to try are to make sure bub isnt up for more than an hour... so when she wakes (after eventually sleeping that is) get her up, feed her and change her and have her back in bed by the time an hour is up...
you could try wearing her if she wont sleep or settle without you, perhaps in a moby wrap or something similar to keep her close to you.
I used to give gabriel the water a couple of mins after a feed if it was starting to look like he was going to get upset...
have you tried googling colic?... there is lots of info there too.
i personally dont think that supplementing with formula will help you at this stage...it may cause more problems as formula comes with its own set of challenges.
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:32pm |
yeah I agree with bizzy, I wouldnt supplement her with formula either as its heavier than breast milk and would make her problems worse and formula definitly does have its own challenges, I have battled it for 3 months tryinig to find one that suits my son! So stick with breastmilk if you can! You can control what goes into her by watching what you eat etc.
Im not sure what else to suggest, but yeah id google colic aswell, to me, it really does sound like thats what she has. i was exactly the same as a baby according to my parents, i scremed for hours on end and mum and dad didnt know what to do.
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:59am |
The only other thing I can suggest is side sleeping. Yes all the books and advice says to back sleep but my lil guy had silent reflux and the only way to get him to sleep was to side sleep him because lying on his back put too much pressure on his tum making him feel gross
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 8:30am |
Oh you poor thing
The first thing that came to my mind was what a couple of other people have suggested - taking him to a cranial osteopath. Friends of mine took their babies and they said the difference was amazing.
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:05pm |
Aw Kelly, big hugs!
I wish I could add a fail-proof piece of advice but I'm afraid hugs are all I can offer. I definitely back up the cranial osteopath option though. It's different from a straight osteopath and meant to be really good for helping with unsettled/colicky babies.
Like Susiec said, we'd love you to come and say hi in the Sept mummies thread if you have the time. All the best with your little one.
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:21pm |
The only thing I can add (apart from more hugs, and the knowledge that it will get better) is to be REALLY vigilant about burping.
laying your baby flat for a minute or so and then bringing her upright can help move the bubble of air to the top. I second cool boiled water - just give a teaspoon after a feed. My midwife also suggested burping after the first few minutes of feeding - it is the first lot of milk that traps the air.
I agree with the advice not to introduce formula.
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