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I'm not having coffee or alcohol - although I know that may be crazy as I have been TTC for so long
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Emsbet, thank you. Yeah so far apart from extra clots and more cramps, its been just like a period, spotting for 2 days, one day light, one day full on, then a couple of days lighter, slowly peetering off. If it continues like this I expect I wont bleed overnight tonight, have just a little tomorrow and then all over by saturday. However I dont know what to expect at all. All the Dr said was that the bleeding is considered normal if it last up to 2 weeks, any more than that they will investigate. I will be having my scan tomorrow afternoon, so within a week of starting.

What can you tell me because other than the above I have absoloutly no idea. The cramping has eased off, still there but not like tuesday at all.
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Avid, I started off with spotting (started on a Thursday, had a scan on Friday which determined I was miscarrying), and continued like a normal period (which for me, is quite light). Then the following Wednesday night I had quite a lot of bleeding and clots, then it slowed down again (so didn't have much the next day). Then I woke up in the middle of the night after with quite bad cramps, more bleeding, and a sac came out (I assume that's what it was anyway! It was "in tact" and must've had fluid in it). Then the bleeding slowed down again, so had bleeding then spotting over the following days until it stopped completely. That's what happened to me anyway. It's good that you've got a scan book - at least they'll be able to check how things have progressed.
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This is such an important thread to have. I had three miscarriages (one d&c and two natural) before getting pregnant with my daughter. I was on progesterone for the first half of the pregnancy and I do believe that that's why I didn't miscarry her. Hold onto your hope that it will happen. Much love x


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I think miscarriages can be so different because it depends on how your body deals with it. Some people for example, their bodies break down the product (such a clinical term, but I'm used to it now) and others have to pass everything whole.

For me I had a missed miscarriage. The mucus plug came out, but I don't remember what day that was, I was sort of in denial. A week? later I got brown spotting Mon - Tues, and a gush of brown water on a Wed. Went to the Hospital, while I was there I had a huge gush of red water - it went everywhere. Then everything stopped. Friday I had a scan showing everything still inside and stopped at 8 weeks 4 days. Then I took those pills to get everything going again. The first night was horrific with lots of bleeding and clots. Passing the clots were like labour, I could feel everything passing through my cervix. My husband was afraid the neighbours would think he was murdering me as I was screaming so much. (sorry if that's a bit too much info for some). So we went back to the hospital and I had 4-5? doses of morphine before the pain subsided and the bleeding stopped. Bleed heavily over the next few days, the placenta came out on a Tues, it was huge! I wasn't expecting that (over 10cm long and about 5cm thick), my cervix must of been open then because I honestly didn't feel it pass through, just went to the loo and omg there it was! Bleeding settled down after that but continued for another 6 days. Then I was spotting for another 20 days - turns out I still had product in me hence the non stop bleeding - but it was only 8mm big on the next scan I had. Amazing how something so small can caus so much more bleeding. Then got my first AF and it was HEAVY (had one accident at home on the couch and almost another 3 at work)! That was 8 days plus another 3 spotting.

Then my cycle went back to 'normal'. Don't know what happened to the pregnancy sac. I assume my body broke it down because it did not come out whole or recognisable.
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Oh Nell that is a horrible experience to have to go through! and wow you are right, it is so different for everyone.
I am really hoping that because its so early for me - only 6w5d before it started - that hopefully this will be it, though Nell your story means ill be a bit more careful!!!! I think that mine probably stopped growing about about 5 weeks, because my HCG on monday was only 540, meaning that its well on its way down.
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Nell, that sounds awful :-( Thanks for sharing it with us though.

Avid, I had a missed miscarriage, so mine was medically managed about 3weeks after the heartbeat stopped. I took the meds in the hospital and started cramping/bleeding within 20 minutes. I had to take more meds every 3 hours and after 6 hours, the pain was so intense that I had to use morphine. I passed everything about 8 hours after it started, but didn't feel any pain in passing it (bar the cramping). Once I passed the tissue (grayish rather than red/black) I immediately started feeling better - no more nauseousness, had an appetite, etc. The next day I had very light, period like bleeding, then my spotting went on for about another week or 10 days. When I stopped spotting, my hcg's were about 70. I had some MAJOR cramping and bleeding, much like in the hospital, a few days ago (3.5 weeks after the mc) but I'm not sure if it was AF or the end of the mc. I also go awful headaches when my progesterone dropped after the mc, and then I got them again this week when I had all the cramping. The headaches were actually the worst bit for me. My body rebounded really quickly physically. I ran 5km two days later (after not running for months) and had no other lingering symptoms. My last blood test, 3 weeks after the mc, was 15 for the HCG. One week after the mc, my hcg was 250, the next week it was 45 and this week 15 - it goes slowly at the end. Whew... hope that gives you a bit of insight.

Kelzie, sorry for your losses. how early on were your mc's? Did you have missed miscarriages? Were there any other indicators of the low progeserterone?
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What city or country did you have your medically managed miscarriage americangirl?

They wouldn't admit me for mine and said go home (with 4 different pottles of pills with various instructions) and just call the ambulance if it gets bad (which it did and we did). But the hospital was pretty much useless and under staffed. Lower Hutt Hospital NZ, do NOT recommend.
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Whangarei in the northland. They were awesome! I had my own room and bathroom on the surgical ward, the ward was only half full, and the nurses were great. Not that I EVER want to do it again, but I would hope for the same in a similar situation. The nurses (poor ladies!) weighed every clot, pad and all the tissue and kept an eye on me all the time. I couldn't have done it alone at home! The morphine IV helped, too. They were so sympathetic and even wanted me and DH to stay the night though everything was fine by that point. I really appreciated having a doctor constantly checking on me, too. Made the whole experience slightly less traumatic. I can't believe they wouldn't admit you!?!?!?! Poor thing. They wouldn't even give me the first med (36 hours before) to take home, I had to take it in front of them.   
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Wow. Now that's the kind of support you really need! It's also the kind of support I see in forums from other countries. I had assumed NZ was just backwards, but now I see it's just my local hospital!
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Nell, I have worked at Lower hutt hospital, and now work for a hospital in the far north, yes its hutt hospital. they are way understaffed, but to be fair to them, the government has cut their budget so much they cannot afford more staff.
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Yeah I don't blame the actual staff Avid, I was just angry at the whole situation. I needed a scan on two occasions in there and they couldn't give me one because they had no one who knew how to work the machine and when I was in the emergency bit for the second time the only staff member who could access me was a male gynecologist which I just couldn't deal with and he said it's safe to assume you've passed all the product you can go home (and I hadn't, that didn't happen until 4 days later).

Whoops rambling! Anyway, I know it's not their fault but I won't be going back there.

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Nell - that's terrible! It is definitely to do with that hospital. My two experiences were the same as americangirl - at Christchurch Women's. I am so appreciative we live in a country that treats miscarriages with such respect and sincerity. I have heard of such horrible stories in the UK and USA.

I have made a plan for the next couple of months. I am going to see a naturopath tomorrow to start taking vitex in liquid form. I have also booked in with an acupuncturist. FA not only recommends acupuncture, but also, I found out today that a close colleague of mine got pregnant after getting acupuncture. The success rate in women getting pregnant from acupuncture is 17 out of 20! Wow! So I am definitely giving it a go. I am hoping that with the vitex preparing my body and the acupuncture, we will have a sticky baby this time.


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Good luck with the acupuncture and the vitrex, Tan! Maybe it'll be the secret weapon for you :-)   Do you know what the acupuncture is meant to help with? Ovulation? Implantation? I've only just heard of women use it when TTC. When are you meant to go? Before ovulation? Months ahead of time?

One more question... anyone know much about progesterone suppositories in pregnancy? My friend had a few mc then started taking those and had two kids! I asked my doc about them when I started spotting early in my pregnancy, but she said they don't really do anything?!?!?! Huh? It's so common in the states but here they say there isn't enough research to show that it prevents mc - they say the low progesterone is a consequence of not a cause of mc.
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Thanks for sharing such a positive experience kelzie_rose, thanks for the well wishes too.
Tans, great to hear about your appointments - would be really interested to hear what the naturopath tells you about the vitex, I'm quite intrigued seeing as I've been told differing things. That's an amazing acupuncture statistic too.
Monkeys - that doesn't sound crazy at all... this journey can be so hard and after multiple m/c's and so few answers I find I'm just doing whatever feels best/comfortable for myself - it's really all I can do. I'm just really curious as to what others in the same situation do, just gives me insight. I do have the odd wine before ov and I also have the odd coffee. I feel ok with that but I can totally understand why others would chose not to.. wish I had your willpower!     
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Americangirl, I go to a fertility acupuncturist once a week (so during my whole cycle). Acupuncture sessions are specific to you - on my first visit I told her about my history. I also temp and take my chart in to her to check every session. By checking my chart, my pulse, looking at my tongue and asking me how I'm feeling she is able to tell which acupressure points she needs to work on. For example, she may work on blood flow to uterus, making sure you ovulate, hormone levels, your bbt among other things. She also prescribes herbs to help as well. It's best to go before ttc so they are able to get your body ready before you get utd. But you can start at any point.
As for progesterone suppositories - I used them with my last pregnancy but unfortunately tests showed our bean had Trisomy 16 so there is no way it would have helped in that situation. I had it prescribed by the Recurrent Pregnancy Loss clinic as soon as I got my bfp and was supposed to take it for the first trimester. If you were showing signs of threatened m/c it wouldn't have stopped it - that might be what your GP meant? I'm not sure if GP's prescribe it as I spoke to mine about it after 2nd m/c and she said I'd need to see a specialist. There isn't alot of reasearch that shows it helps at all, but it definately doesn't hurt which is why I was put on it. Like Kelzie_rose, alot of ladies attribute it to successful pregnancies. If I am lucky enough to get utd again I am going to be following the Colorado Protocol which is basically a whole cocktail of drugs that supposedly prevent anything and everything - that is because after all my tests my mc's are still unexplained. Thats a big part of why I wanted to try acupuncture - she is looking from another perspective (from western medicine) and so I feel it's well worth a shot.   
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I changed my name slightly...I don't want people thinking I live in the US ;-) Not that there's anything wrong with that (I grew up there) but I'm a Kiwi now.

Wow, Redtulip, thanks for the info. Very interesting! I only just started TTC in March - there's so much to learn. I don't even think we have an acupuncturist within an hours drive of here... let alone a fertility one. Oh, the joys of a small rural town.

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No problem a.girl Anything else you want to know just ask away, if I can help I'm happy to answer. Must be lovely living rurally. I get sick of the pace here sometimes. You could ask your GP if someone there does acupunture - they'd be sure to know if you're in a small town. Goodnite (hmmmm... no sleepy emoticon lol)!
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I too am going through acupuncture after 3 M/C unexplained. I also go once a week, and with herbs, and he told us to not try for 3 months - that was tough to take, as I felt it was wasting valuable time! But I have noticed big changes to my AF in this time, so its doing something, and have taken the time to focus on losing weight instead. Into our last month of waiting now, and looking forward to trying again next month.
Like Redtulip - nothing else seems to be helping so really hoping Acu is the answer!! I will go on Progesterone this time as well - even though my levels have seemed ok in the past its just another thing that I can try and that can't hurt
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Hi everyone, So I had my appointment with the naturopath today. She was great and really thorough. She has said she make up a formula that contains vitex and a whole lot of other things to make my lining good and healthy. She has asked me to not try for 3 months too, Monkeys! I am feeling slightly panicked about this but at the same time I think, in the whole scheme of things, it is probably best. And it's really a speck of time in my whole life. She said that I could go on Clomid now, and get pg again, but that, from everything I have told her, and from my test results, that it could be that my lining needs to be a lot more healthy in order to welcome a fertilised egg. I think she is right, so I will give it a shot. What with that and the acupuncture, I should be well prepared for a healthy pregnancy.


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