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    Posted: 01 November 2010 at 9:45am
I got told about the book "Babywise" and have read it and like mostly what I see. Is there anyone else out there that has done it or currently doing it? Any tips? Any downfalls? etc.


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Trying! It does make a lot of sense and a few of the concepts have really resonated with me.
The biggest thing we got from it was helping baby realise the difference between night and day. Seems to have worked so far as we have lovely 5-6 hour stretches at night. :)
My SIL did babywise with both her kids and thought it was great too

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eek feel free to take some little bits and pieces from it if it suits you but PLEASE don't follow the Babywise routine to the letter. It has been linked with infant dehydration and failure to thrive and is a recipe for disaster with your milk supply if you are breastfeeding.

Babies aren't setting out to manipulate you, they're just trying to communicate the best way they know how.

Originally posted by <a href=http://www.drmomma.org/2009/10/babywise.html target=_blank>Peaceful Parenting</a> Peaceful Parenting wrote:


the "Babywise" approach represents a harsh throwback to decades-old and widely discredited child-care manuals in which mothers were advised to watch the clock rather than their babies' signals in determining when breast or bottle should be offered. Today, in response to extensive research into infant nutrition and growth, experts strongly advise against "scheduling" and in favor of feeding, preferably breast-feeding, according to a baby's cues. In recent months, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a "Media Alert" in which the organization emphatically "reaffirms its stance that the best feeding schedules for babies are the ones babies design themselves." The alert went on to say that "scheduled feedings designed by parents may put babies at risk for poor weight gain and dehydration."

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"Parents shouldn't expect babies to sleep that long that early, although a very few will on their own and in that case, you may sometimes need to actually wake them to feed them," says Ferber. "There is no good evidence that babies that young can go that long without a feeding."

According to Ferber, any ill-informed child-care advice that suggests that very young infants should be sleeping through the night has the potential to leave new parents frustrated as they wonder what's "wrong" with their own baby.


Originally posted by <a href=http://aapnews.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/4/21 target=_blank>American Academy of Pediatrics News</a> American Academy of Pediatrics News wrote:


...it outlines an infant feeding program that has been associated with failure to thrive (FTT), poor milk supply failure, and involuntary early weaning. A Forsyth Medical Hospital Review Committee, in Winston-Salem N.C., has listed 11 areas in which the program is inadequately supported by conventional medical practice. The Child Abuse Prevention Council of Orange County, Calif., stated its concern after physicians called them with reports of dehydration, slow growth and development, and FTT associated with the program. And on Feb. 8, AAP District IV passed a resolution asking the Academy to investigate "Babywise," determine the extent of its effects on infant health and alert its members, other organizations and parents of its findings.


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All I can say is that I agree with every single thing weegee has said. Please take that book with a HUGE grain of salt. If you have the time you might also want to look at this website: Evaluating Ezzo Programs
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Wow thats so not how I read the book! I took it all as having a very flexible routine which you can adapt to suit your situation and didn't think it was extreme at all. Maybe I missed something??

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Thanks guys. I will take care in my choices. I've heard good and bad things about the book from various people. Like I said, I 'mostly' like what I see in the book lol. I guess the main thing I took away from it, is encouraging a baby to self settle. As that can definitely help the baby and the parents in the long run. So putting a baby down happy, fed and contented, will heighten the chances of having a good sleep in the night. With the scheduling, i think i would have a flexible routine when the baby is at an appropriate age.
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Originally posted by ereynolds ereynolds wrote:

Trying! It does make a lot of sense and a few of the concepts have really resonated with me.
The biggest thing we got from it was helping baby realise the difference between night and day. Seems to have worked so far as we have lovely 5-6 hour stretches at night. :)
My SIL did babywise with both her kids and thought it was great too


Are there any tips you have? Anything I should be weary about while doing it? And how did you find going out? (like keeping to the wake - fed - play. Is it difficult to socialize?)


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Originally posted by HippyMama HippyMama wrote:

All I can say is that I agree with every single thing weegee has said. Please take that book with a HUGE grain of salt. If you have the time you might also want to look at this website: Evaluating Ezzo Programs




I just read the whole web page. And it does seem questionable. When I first read Babywise, I did question the scripture he was using. And I felt some of it was out of context. But looked around it and just thought I would take what i wanted out of the book and not actually follow the plan to the tee. Is that a good idea do you think?
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The Scripture he uses has also been discredited - well, not the scripture, just how he uses it He has been heavily criticised by a number of Christian parenting experts and pastors.

My approach with baby books is read around, take tips and hints and then work out what works for you AND your baby.

Personally, I like the eat-play-sleep thing and that was the extent of my routine. I never found that an issue with going out (though I don't know how Ezzo says it should be done - I just fed, played and put him down). Dan had night and day sorted within about 10 days despite us not using Babywise. There's a lot of common sense information out there and I like books that give guidelines or suggestions, rather than rules. Babies are all unique and don't read the books. They don't follow rules and nor should they have to!
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I haven't read the book, but the biggest issue that I have is that Ezzo recommends physical punishment for babies, and that I find horrific

This page from Ezzo.info says


For children over 14 months
old Ezzo recommends using a
“chastisement tool,” which he
defines as “a somewhat flexible
instrument (that) stings without
inflicting bone or muscle
damage...”

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Originally posted by Flissty Flissty wrote:

The Scripture he uses has also been discredited - well, not the scripture, just how he uses it He has been heavily criticised by a number of Christian parenting experts and pastors.

My approach with baby books is read around, take tips and hints and then work out what works for you AND your baby.

Personally, I like the eat-play-sleep thing and that was the extent of my routine. I never found that an issue with going out (though I don't know how Ezzo says it should be done - I just fed, played and put him down). Dan had night and day sorted within about 10 days despite us not using Babywise. There's a lot of common sense information out there and I like books that give guidelines or suggestions, rather than rules. Babies are all unique and don't read the books. They don't follow rules and nor should they have to!



Thanks for that. I think you're right about the rules. I was a bit dubious about the strictness. But I think taking what you think is best for your baby and you is the way to go. Thanks :)
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Wow "chastisement tool?!!!". What a crazy concept that is, totally 19th century. I got given his book with DS1 and read it and never read about the chastisement tool. I found that like others have said he had some good advice but that his approach was a bit too paternalistic and strict really.   

I'm not sure what i took from it that i didn't get from other books i also was given - Baby Whisperer - quite a different approach. I think i found something in the middle of these 2 which worked for us.

Some people must have really followed that book beyond common sense to end up with dehydrated babies and FTT! Those bubs must have been making their needs known quite loudly surely?

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I would have to agree with HippyMamma and weegee, and do check out the link on Ezzo - it's a bit frightening




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I loved the book but didn't follow it to the letter I just took bit's that were realitive to me. I didn't even notice any scripture in there. I just took the basic info on schedules and the chapter on twins on board. Obviously with twins I needed a strict routine just to survive that first year It helped that I was formula feeding from 6 weeks so it was easier for me to follow the strict routine aspect :) We had our twins sleeping through from 9 weeks old and I put it all down to the routine we formed from babywise. But I do understand how it may not be quite as easy to follow and stick to if breast feeding.

I never thought any part of the book was extreme or cruel or anything like that. I found it to be the easiest to follow and most helpful parenting book I have come across. Due to the techniques we took from it our kids have slept peacefully through the night for the last 2 years. I never knew all that stuff about Ezzo and his disciplining techniques. Sounds like terrible stuff. Guess I won't be looking to him for discipline advice lol.

At the end of the day it's just a book. You can take from it what you like. I like to think we all have enough comman sense these days not to starve our young babies to the point of dehydration. We all parent differently so who's to say which is the best way. If your the type of person that is naturally inclined to schedule and plan than this book is probably for you.


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Originally posted by Lillybetts Lillybetts wrote:

Originally posted by ereynolds ereynolds wrote:

Trying! It does make a lot of sense and a few of the concepts have really resonated with me.
The biggest thing we got from it was helping baby realise the difference between night and day. Seems to have worked so far as we have lovely 5-6 hour stretches at night. :)
My SIL did babywise with both her kids and thought it was great too


Are there any tips you have? Anything I should be weary about while doing it? And how did you find going out? (like keeping to the wake - fed - play. Is it difficult to socialize?)


Thanks :)


For the first year we were pretty strict about being home during nap & bedtimes which didn't leave much room for a huge social life. We used to just make people come to us 90% of the time lol


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I think the wake-feed-play/ feed - play - sleep is a fairly universal concept, I learnt it at plunket, and then heard it from Sharlene Poole, so I don't think you can go wrong with that.

I'm still trying to work out the logistics of following that and going out - so far I'm trying to head out when he's ready to go down, hoping that he'll sleep in the stroller/carrier/car seat. I tried doing Sharlene Poole's routine with allocated times for feeds etc, but that felt to constrictive to me.
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I find it surprising how many books there are out there.....I have to admit I haven't read a single one, flicked through a few pages here and there but so can't be bothered....I actually find the ideas on here are so much better lol....can ask for advice and get ten different alternatives, one of which will surely work after testing...



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Same here Nutella!
The only book Ive read is my NZ Pregnancy book, and everything else Ive learnt from my mum, common sense, and on here!

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Ditto to Sheza and Nutella





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I read some of the book. It didnt interest me much TBH. The only thing I took away from it was feed play sleep.
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