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    Posted: 07 May 2007 at 2:39pm
I had a thought over the weekend as I was watching Caitlin sobbing her little heart out whilst dealing with yet another huge hard output. How this is still happening I'll never know when she is on 7mls of laxitive (normal dose should be 1ml and the max is 10mls), she's also having plenty of fruit (mostly kiwi fruit) and also drinking heaps of fluids, at least 400mls (water and very diluted baby juice) so we're doing everything the Paed told us to do!

Anyways... I know you can introduce cows milk from 12 months (just over 2 months away). But what I wanted to know was, would it be possible to introduce it a bit earlier with perhaps a multi vitamin or something to ensure she continues to get everything that she needed from the formula? (there are no dairy issues on either side so I'm not worried about that) I know it's not recommended etc but I'm getting a bit beyond desperate here and want to get her off formula ASAP That's the only thing I can imagine that is left in her diet that would bung her up.

Anyone have any experience of this?

I'd like your opinions before I suggest it to the Paed (who would probably like to burn me at the stake for not BFing her longer)
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how much formula is she having at the mo anyway? and maybe it is the brand of formula???
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I wish it was that easy! We've been on every type of forumla available (were on the Sensikare the longest which is Hypoallergenic). Every time we change it, she's fine for 2 weeks at the most, then goes back to not going!

She has 3 200ml bottles a day
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I will rather to go the pediatrician again and let him look at her diet. She still needs her formula. I know of some kids that find it hard to poop and they actually put them on medication for it.

Just go have a chat with them and see if they can resolve it. If you dont get the answers you are looking for demand it until you get it.


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real milk may cause the same problems too so changing early may not fix anything...

oh and some fruit will cause the opposite of the outcome you want. apples for instance can be a fix for diarhoea as well as cause it. something to do with the pectin in the skin.

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If she's constipated from formula, chances are that she'll also get constipated from cows' milk IMO. You could try cows' milk watered down maybe? But since you have a paed, this is something I'd definitely run by him first. And don't worry about the bf decision hun, it's been and done and the paed is there to help you move forward.
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Hi Toni,
Have you tried this formula?

Novalac

It's the only suggestion I have so hope it helps
    
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I am sorry I have no ideas for you but wanted to send you a
I know this has been on going for you and I hope you find a solution to it very soon.
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If it was me in your situation and I really wasnt comfortable talking to the paed about it (even though you totally shouldnt worry about the b/f thing) I would give it a go. As long as she is eating lots to get all the nutrients etc.. that she needs I dont see the harm in trying it for a week or two. if she is still having trouble then you know its not the formula and you could put her back onto it. and as you said maybe ask at a healthcare shop or chemist if there is some supplements you could give her with the cows milk to make it as good for her as possible. Ive thought about putting Addi onto cows milk and sometimes she steals kobes milk and has had no problems with it.
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dont know if you have already tried, but what about goats milk, or soy?

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Okay, I am not recommending this in any way, just relaying what my mother did - from 3 months she gave me cows milk with some brown sugar mixed in....that said, I had an iron stomach and no allergies AND my mother had just found out she had cancer and would have to go into hosptial - so not much choice.
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Thanks ladies.

We've tried the $40 a tin Novalac, it did nada, same with the Coloxyl and the Lactulose. The only thing that does make her go is water with 1/2 teaspoon of brown sugar but that can't be good for her to have all the time

Many months ago we went to a Homeopath who put it down to her reaction to her jabs had just stressed her little body out too much and the pooping thing was just all too much for her. The stuff she gave us worked like everything else - for 2 weeks. I've got an appointment to go again tomorrow and see what she thinks this time as I feel we have exhausted modern medicine

As for the Soy/Goat formula - we were advised not to even try those as they are only for babies with dairy allergies and they wouldn't be good for Caitlin, which apparently she doesn't have. Paed said this would have shown up when I was BFing her. Back then she used to cough and poo!
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You must be so frustrated, Toni! Will be interesting to see what comes out of tomorrow's appointment.
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We went to see the lovely Homeopath lady (Shona) last night, who took a bit of a shine to Caitlin, (Lil' Miss was dancing and singing with her LOL) and she even cried when I told her about what my poor girl has been through.

She's still convinced that it has something to do with her reacting to her jabs (she's allergic to the Pertussis (whooping cough) one) even though when they gave her a different type of WC jab last time she was fine, not even a raised temp. So I've now been given the task of finding out what the vaccine is cultured on as Caitlin might have an egg allergy (the jab has been known to be cultured on egg) I'm not 100% convinced on this theory but I'll do my homework.

Shona was interested to hear that brown sugar water is the only thing that makes Caitlin go so has given us an "energy of molassus" concoction that shoud work the same but without the bad stuff of the brown sugar (molassus is the laxitive bit of brown sugar). If that doesn't work over the next few days to keep her regular then we're to go back and try some other treatments for what she thinks is just a slugish bowel that has been through too much stress from her birth, the reaction to her jabs and her original constipation problem (when she was 9wks old) topped off with the stress she picks up from me and hasn't had the opportunity to have a good recovery and that is what is making Caitlin hold "it" in, which makes sense!

She could see how upset I am over all of this and told me that I need to relax for the both of us, she gave me a bach flower remedy to drink to "chill me out and help me sleep tonight", she also said to give a tiny drop to Caitlin. I can't remember the last time I was in bed and asleep by 8pm! We both slept straight through the night and I feel great today!

I can't recommend Shona enough! Hopefully she'll be able to sort Caitlin's problem out soon    
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I'm so sorry to hear what you and Caitlin have to go through with all of this and I hope you start to see some improvements with the new concoction!! I would never know from seeing Caitlin that she has any kind of problems as she is such a happy healthy looking baby!

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Whatever was in that stuff has turned my happy baby into "Swamp Witch" (like how Mummy was on the pill) she's really ratty and grizzley and as for the mood changes!

BUT..... She's pooing twice a day!
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yay for the pooing twice a day boohoo on the mood change but she might be ratty because she getting rid orf the yucky stuff in her tummy hopefully this will work better for her big hugs hun
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Don't know if this helps but my bubba used to hate formula and my plunket nurse said it was fine for him to have normal cows milk from about 9-10mths old, luckily he "took" to fomula after months of trying but my friend has been giving her baby cows milk since she was weaned at 10mths ( as she hated formula too) and shes been fine BUT i am not a doctor!


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I think if this doesn't work in the long term (more than a couple of weeks) then I'll seriously consider switching her to cows milk and hope that will be the end of it
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I am pleased she is having bowel movements! Yay for Caitlin

As for the mood I can lend you a boy to cheer her up LOL

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