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    Posted: 29 October 2007 at 12:56pm
I really want to continue to exclusively breastfeed Caprece until 6 months and think she would really benefit from that as she already has a bit of excema already.

However she feeds at least every 3 hours and some days it more like every 2 (this is day and night) she has both sides and seems pretty content after the feed. The thing is all this feeding and not much sleeping is really taking a toll on me, I'm so tired and feel really sick (like I'm guna spew) all day. I take iron pills and have a berocca to get me going in the morning and a few complan milkshakes throughout the day but I still feel like crap. I know its only for another month and a half but I can just remember how great it was once Jack started on solids.

Anyway any advice would be much appreciated
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no real advise sorry love just a reminder that you do have to look after yourself first.
I struggle with low blood pressure during my pregnacies and also when BF-ing, this makes me feel faint and often like I am going to be sick. I make sure I have lots of snacks available to me through out the day and this seems to help. Fruit, seeds and nuts are a gerat grab and eat food.
If you are concerned that Bf-ing is taking too much of a toll on you and your body, maybe you could think about going to see your doctor??
Anyway, good luck with your decision and health

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I had low blood pressure while pregnant so maybe thats it. Thanx spudling I think I may go to the dr, I just thought it was from lack of sleep.
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Rach. Sounds like you are doing all the right things, but perhaps a check up by your GP to make sure your iron stores etc. are hunky dory might ease your mind...? As for the solids, I have no idea, sorry, does Caprece seem ready to take solids (apart from the ravenous feeding!) e.g. interested in watching you eat, has the correct reflex to take a spoon, etc.?? Alternatively you could try a top-up of formula morning and night maybe before resorting to solids...? Sometimes what you want and how things pan out aren't exactly what you plan, you just have to go with the flow, if she's ready for solids, she's ready for solids...


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Hi RachandJack, you poor thing you sound like you are having a really tough time of it. Don't really want to advise anything with regards to solids as it really is up to you but as shellandbella said I would be looking for signs that she is ready and if so would probably go ahead with it. Spencer has been on solids for a couple of weeks, he only has a tiny amount 1-2 teaspoons, it hasn't really affected his feeding, he still feeds 3 hourly and had just started sleeping through before he had them but he has fallen into a more regular routine which has helped as all our days were a bit random before that.

Are you taking a good multivitamin, if you are feeling run down you might not be producing the best milk and then she feeds more you feel worse and it is one big downward spiral. I too would see the doc, if your iron is really low I think they can give you a jab which takes effect quicker than taking tablets.
Also is there anyway you can get a break, are you able to express enough for someone to take her for the evening so that you can catch up on some much needed sleep?

And I totally agree with Shellandbella if she is ready she is ready, just go with the flow, 6 months is a guideline only all babies are different. My sisters baby has only just started showing interest in solids at 12 months old whereas Spencer was interested at 3 months

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That sounds exactly like us a few weeks ago so i started Astin on solids (with the go ahead from plunket) and now he is in such a great rountine and loves his solids!!! if i dont give it to him by 3pm he starts getting angry and wont take dummy, booby, bottle, toys, bed or anything!! and his eyes light up when i get the solids ready!! and he sits there jumping about with his mouth wide open! lol

Maybe have a chat to your doc or plunket if you think she is ready and also go to doc about yourself being so tired.
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Was there a particular reason for waiting for 6mos? The guideline is actually 4-6mos. I tend to introduce solids around that 4m growth spurt because the 2-hourly feeding drives me crazy! and I take it as the baby's sign that they are ready for more substantial food in their tum.
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Plunket said to me that they also raised it because some bubs aren't ready at 4 months but they also said if they are ready at 4 months its no problem. And you're right 2 hourly feeding does suck

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This is why I want to wait solids and breastfeeding

I have plunket in a week or so, so will talk to them then. I might go to the dr this week tho and mention it to him. I'm not too sure if she is ready for solids cos she is pretty happy with the milk and doesn't particuarly look at me while I'm eating which is also why I want to wait.
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Yeah i've read that before, all I would say is that it isn't exactly impartial.
Most other sites and books i've read has just said to follows baby's signs that they are ready.

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I'm sorry but I don't place much stock in that kind of thing. IMO if your baby is hungrier than bm can supply, then go for it. It's not like you're going to be starting on 3 meals a day or anything crazy like that.
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You can fill him up with an extra milk feed rather than introducing solids early. I find Caleb really needs an extra top up at the end of the day and won't settle without it. We give him one bottle just before bed. If I'm organised I EBM in the morning when I have lots of milk. Otherwise he has formula for that last feed.
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I started Gia on solids when she was just over 4 months as she was doing the same - feeding every 2 hours. That is my guide to when they need solids. I don't think she woke every 2 hours at night, but was waking more often than she had been.

It's up to you of course, but if it's taking that much of a toll maybe just one feed of solids a day would help til she's 6 months? At least so you both can sleep longer at night.

All the best.

(Oh & comment from your other thread about Caprece being dropped on her head - Poor wee girl!! Hope she's ok!!)
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Its really up to you, but have you thought of just trying it once and see what she thinks of it? Like if she really loves it and gobbles it down vs if she just spits it out it may help you with your decision.
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maybe she is feeding so often due to other reasons...ie tired (i noticed you said she wasnt sleeping). If you want to hold off do. IMO and some medical professionals opinions too their digestive systems arent ready at 3-4 mths and it does reduce the risk of allergies too, it is also a lot more work.
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The current recomendation is 6 months as most babies digestive tracts are not ready before then (some are, but most aren't) and there is also an increased chance of allergies (I have a post grad nutrition qualification - the WHO research is pretty sound, they don't just make these things up) .. so I understand why you want to wait, I'm trying to hold off too. What plunket told me (Jake still wakes once a night some nights) was that it won't make them sleep through if they're not ready. If I was you I'd try what someone else suggested - one formula top up at night (or EMB) - unless you're absolutely sure she is ready for solids. At least you know formula is designed for babies under 6 months and it may help settle her for longer at night.
And look after yourself - is it possible to get someone else to do a few night feeds with either EMB or formula so you can catch up on some sleep. Your milk supply is probably dropping due to exhaustion so making her feed more frequently. I feel for you cos I have a bit of an idea of what its like - Jake was the same after surgery - and I was going crazy for a while there!!!
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Oh Rach that must be so tough I think maybe go and see your Dr- you could maybe even talk to him/her about getting a refferal to a nutritionist (or just harass Nikki some ) and if you have a good relationship with your Plunket nurse they might have some advice too.

I'm holding off too- Kate is now at the same stage that we started Charlotte and she seems so ready but TBH living with a child with a severe food allergy is horrific and anything you can do to minimise the chances I would totally recommend doing. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I think I recall you saying that Ben had some allergies as well? So her chances are probably higher than most anyway.

Good luck with your decision! Hope that you can find some things that will help with her sleeping and your energy levels
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hugs rach!!   you must be exhausted!!

jack was 6mths when we started him on solids and he loved it. charli, we tried at 4mths because we thought she needed it, but she wasn't interested. so we tried again at 5.5mths and she was ready then.
i'd give it a try and see what happens. if she's not really showing any signs of wanting food then she may not like it. have you thought of giving her a top up of formula? we had to give charli a bottle at night because by the end of the day, my milk just wasn't 'good' enough for her. my mw said it was likely from running around after the 2 kids all day

see what your GP says and go from there.......take care hun!

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Thanx everyone, last night I thought I'd try only giving her one side each time she woke and see if she would settle ok with not as much, and she settled fine with only one side so I think she isn't actually waking for the milk but since I offer it she takes it. I'm unsure how to try and convince her to sleep longer tho, I've tried rocking her but she will only stay asleep for about 20 mins. She mostly goes to sleep on her own but every now and then I rock her to sleep cos I don't want her grizzling to wake Jack. I emailed the sleep lady so I'll see what she has to say.

Ben had the day off yesterday so I spent the day lying around and had a few naps so am feeling heaps better today. We will be holding off for solids then cos I'm not convinced she is really ready. But thanx for all the suggestions ladies
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Thats good that you managed to get some rest yesterday. I wouldn't start solids if she doesn't seem interested, she would probably just spit it straight out again. Does she take a dummy, or you could try offering her some water instead of the boob, not really sure of anything else to suggest when Spencer wakes at night I tend to just feed him cos its easier and quicker, have never tried just resettling him don't think it would go down to well if I did though.

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