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    Posted: 14 January 2008 at 11:08am
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Have any of you breastfed your baby to sleep? We started by accident when Jack got his first cold at about 4 months old and it has just continued since then - he is 8 1/2 months now.
I had planned to try and stop as I would like to stop bf at about 1 year, even posted a topic here asking others for their bedtime routines to try and come up with other options to try. However Jack doesn't seem to want to change, although he will sometimes go to sleep with a cuddle, rocking and singing it is always his choice not my trying to do so (he will go to sleep in the car or pushchair as well). Now I just wonder if I should just wait until he decides to stop.
What have other people done? Have you made an effort to change the routine or waited until baby decided to stop themselves? I am very indecisive as to what to do. I have asked hubby for his thoughts and he just says to do whatever I want to do - I think he is just trying to be supportive when really I think I want him to make the decision for me so that I don't have to.
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We use to feed Daniel to sleep, but we just decided one day that we weren't going to do it anymore. He took a couple of days to get use to the change but soon got the hang of it. He still gets a bottle before bedtime usually and once hes weaned off formula down the track ill give him a sippy cup with water in it instead if he still wants something to drink before bed
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If it isnt a problem, I mean if hecan self settle if he wakes during the night, and doesnt need you to have to feed him to sleep everytime he wakes, and you are happy to continue then do. But if he isnt able to settle himself and is waking lots then u might want to stop feeding him to sleep/rocking to sleep etc. You could try feeding him a little earlier so hes not so sleepy, or keep the lights on etc, then after his feed have a story or soemthing, then bed.
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Hi Stacey
How did you stop feeding Daniel to sleep? Did you stop cold turkey? Some how gradually stop? I have tried taking Jack off while he is drowsy but most of the time he starts crying and if I don't start feeding him again he starts to work himself up. What is your bedtime routine now?
Hi Kelly
I don't really think that it is a problem. It seems to be the hard option sometimes as it can take anywhere up to 30min plus to get him to sleep during the day or evening. Maybe that is quicker than for other mums, I am not quite sure. Sometimes he will self settle during the night, if I get up to him and while feeding he mucks around I can sometimes put him in his bed and leave and he will go to sleep. I suppose I really need to decide how much I want to change.

Thanks heaps for your thoughts ladies!
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I doubt he will decide to stop himself lol you just need to decide when you have had enough of it. You could try feeding him so hes had enough food and is drowsy and put him to bed. As long as hes fed, clean, warm, and dry you can just leave him to cry and maybe go in every 10 mins to check on him. It will be hard at the start but should take a week at the very most.

Another option but will take longer is to feed him until hes drowsy and then put him to bed but when he cries pick him up and feed until drowsy and then put back down, continue this and eventually he will just go to sleep without the boob. It will probably work better at night to start off with when hes really tired.

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Hey Linzy, I can't help except to say that you are not alone. I feed and/or rock my baby to sleep most days. I have been thinking about changing this habit but he seems happy enough so am sticking with it for the meantime, part laziness part wanting to cling on to my last baby
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I had the same problem with Alize and when he was 7mths and I was desperate as he couldnt self settle, so I was up all thru thr night. I used the sleep sense method. It worked a treat. It took 2 nights of him crying his eyes out but once he got the message we havent looked beck. He still has his last bfeed and then I put him down awake at 7 and he sleeps thru till seven. Goodluck with your wee one.


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Yeah I made the mistake of doing it early on, but realised she would have to learn to go to sleep on her own. We have always had a routine in terms of giving her a bath, so I just changed things a little and started doing bath, milk, read books, then in the cot drowsy but awake (instead of bath, then milk until she slept).. Of course she took a few nights of crying when she was put in her cot awake, but it didn't take long for her to fall asleep cause she was tired..

We still do this routine now and she happily plays with toys in her cot for about 5-10 minutes before she falls asleep.

In the end you just have to bite the bullet and give him that chance to learn self settling if you want him to do it. Good luck
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Thanks ladies for your suggestions but I can't bear to let him cry hence I haven't tried these sorts of things earlier. Maybe we will just muddle along a while longer and see what happens.
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Hey Linzy don't feel bad about that - my baby can't self settle and I know that if I tried the methods he would learn, but I am really happy doing what I am doing and I just can't bear that crying also.
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I dont know any mother that finds in easy/can bear to leave their baby to cry. It was the hardest thing I have ever had to do.
But I felt we had no other option left. Isla was a year old, and I was absolutely exhaustedfrom getting up anywhere from 3-6 times a night, and feeding her seveal times a night, (on top of PTSD and PND).
On the advise of our GP, and plunketline, and after having Isla checked out twice that week by GP to make sure she was fully healthy (she has several medical cnditions, and I wanted to be sure there would be no medical reason she would need me in the night),...and with the help of my mil,(she stayed the night to support us)...we didnt go in to her the whole night. She was fed at 6.30pm, then not again til the morning. We planned to not go into her before 6 am, and thats what we did. She woke seveal times, and one time cried for an hour,...but after that she slept through.

Now if she wakes and cries, I can tell if she is going to stop or if there is a problem, then we go in.

I had thought I was being selfish wanting her to sleep through the night. That only DH and I would benefit. But we have both been amazed at the change in Isla since she now sleeps through. She suddenly started eating and drinking so much better since she no longer has any food over night. We leave a non-spil sipper cup of water at the end of her cot if she needs it. She is so so much happier, and slept better in the day too. If I had known she was going to benifit from sleeping through, then I would have done it earlier, and not felt so awful and guilty about letting her cry.
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My wee man is nearly 9 months and I feed him to sleep maybe 85% of the time. I think it's only a problem if it's not working for you (ie you don't want to for whatever reason). I don't see there's anything bad about it on its own.

Anton still sleeps long stretches and can resettle himself during the night. I can't stand to leave him crying either, and when I did have to a few times, it was AWFUL - he gets so worked up and spews etc, and then is terrible to calm down. Just tells me there's no one right answer to how to do it. No one-size-fits-all solution.

You might want to have a read of The No Cry Sleep Solution - talks about how to change it gradually. Basically like you were trying - take him off when drowsy etc, but if he gets upset, pop him back on and try again when he's calm again. Then once he's sussed on that, it's pop him into bed while drowsy etc. (I've read it, but obviously not done it yet!)

It's great that your hubby is supportive of whatever you want to do - mine just wants to shut him in his room full stop.

Sorry for the novel!
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okay - i agree in a sense its only a problem if its a problem to you as you are the one that has to be there till he falls asleep and get up beduring the night too...

BUT it is a longggggg road to go down... (been there with my first born) it started with feeding him to sleep or cuddles. when he went into a 'proper' bed at 2 years he would sneak into my bed so i wouldn't even feel him get in - great to sleep thru BUT not great when they are 4 and still not sleep thru! it was my own fault but i would rather of started how I intended to go on. #2 was not going to be feed to sleep and maybe just luck but she was a great sleeper. so along comes #3 and hes even better (now... us nov babes went thru a not sleeping stage)

Dare I say it but if its the suckling that he likes - maybe give him a dummy.

i can vouch for Kels and that the sleep sense helped with her -yup its horrible hearing your baby cry so you need to be mentally strong for it BUT as kels said it doesn't take long and she hasn't looked back
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The sleep sense progam isnt' such a "leave them to it" cry it out method, you start off sitting by the cot until they settle and then slowly over about 10days withdraw until you can kiss him goodnight and walk out. I was sent it by an antenatal friend, used it with Fay who only ever slept if i rocked her and that could take 1.5 hours even at 1am, so I was desparate for some help, but didn't want to do hard out CIO. I don't have the electronic copy anymore as my pooter crashed just before xmas and i lost the file. but it is called the Sleep Sense Programme by Diane Oblemann. You might be able to Google it or find it at your local Library or something. Oh if you do find it online it is over 200 pages to print out. It has strategies for newborns, older babies and toddlers on how to settle, and resettle through the night and the biggest thing it teaches is to separate feeding and bed issues.
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oh thats right claire but isn't there they talk about - one cry it out and two the one you explained. I never used it myself only because it said to get rid of the dummy and I wasn't ready for that, thats why I said mentally strong (guess I wasn't at my thither although got very close at one stage) Lucky for me Rhyley settled quickly and sleeps at least 12 hours a night. Mind hes like his dad (and his mum for that matter) and loves his sleep LOL..

I think i still have the emailed copy somewhere...

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Thanks everyone for your suggestions. It has only really become a problem lately as Jack hasn't always been latching properly - a sign it is probably more comfort than sustenance - and it sometimes becomes painful.
Jo, I have read the "No cry sleep solution" a while back and it was good, I just didn't feel I had the energy (mainly mentally) to make the change but I did like the ideas in it, maybe I will get it from the library again.
I considered a dummy but I don't really like them and I have tried a few times previously and Jack just couldn't get the hang of it, kept spitting it out. Tonight we are trying a little stuffed toy to put in bed with him, will see how that goes over the next week or so.
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Originally posted by Linzy Linzy wrote:

Thanks ladies for your suggestions but I can't bear to let him cry hence I haven't tried these sorts of things earlier. Maybe we will just muddle along a while longer and see what happens.

You will know when you are ready if ever at all. I never let my older child cry to sleep at all, I just couldnt handle the crying it really upset me. Number 2 was a perfect sleeper and self settled from a young age all by herself. Number 3 well I just got to the stage when something had to happen. I was working and trying to run the house with 3kids as a single mother and I needed my sleep back and my evenings just to unwind and have some relaxation time.


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Originally posted by Redbedrock Redbedrock wrote:

The sleep sense progam isnt' such a "leave them to it" cry it out method, you start off sitting by the cot until they settle and then slowly over about 10days withdraw until you can kiss him goodnight and walk out. I was sent it by an antenatal friend, used it with Fay who only ever slept if i rocked her and that could take 1.5 hours even at 1am, so I was desparate for some help, but didn't want to do hard out CIO. I don't have the electronic copy anymore as my pooter crashed just before xmas and i lost the file. but it is called the Sleep Sense Programme by Diane Oblemann. You might be able to Google it or find it at your local Library or something. Oh if you do find it online it is over 200 pages to print out. It has strategies for newborns, older babies and toddlers on how to settle, and resettle through the night and the biggest thing it teaches is to separate feeding and bed issues.
Good luck with it

Thankyou Claire for clarifying that. I didnt just let him CIO, I used the SS technique that teaches them to self settle to sleep along with the passive intervention of reassurance of his cot, the routine of bedtime and the constant knowledge that if he needed me I will always come.


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