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    Posted: 13 February 2008 at 9:29am
right monday night..Ethan slept through waking every three-four hours and that was fine..this continued all day until 830pm last night then he only slept 12-1, 2-4 and 625-850 and now asleep again. I realise he's way too little to be in a routine but i did nothing different those nights but last night at 1am nothing would settle him except continual feeding(even though he was full half the time) ?? in the end at 625 i put him in his bouncy day sleeper..then woke at 7 in a panic as i could see the blanket but not him..he had just slipped a little under it..but that set me off oh my goodness what if it had of ended up over his face.. just because i was so tired and i went to sleep:( but he was fine.. (just felt guilty for putting a big blanket on him i guess :(

anyway is that normal that he changes day to day so much...? Dh complaining today that he had no sleep(he was awake 1-2 so he slept 11-1 then -630....umm hello who had no sleep:( mw supposed to come yesterday but didn't show..typical as yesterday such a good day!:(

also any advice on milk flow..i will get up an soak right through several towels..and sometimes him with the side that i dont use for latching at the mo.. its horrible:( how do i get the supply to go down:( and now he is asleep and was totally full before i put him to sleep but still wanted the dummy to suck on to sleep..is that normal? (i used to HATE dummies)!!

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Change is normal It takes a while for babies to get a sense of night and day - remember he is still only little and just starting to get used to being out of the womb.

PS - you might want to post this type of question in the first babies section.

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Hey kawww big hugs, everything worries me about kylah lol..dont feelbad, lil Ethan is ok. Try asking this in the first baby section, heaps more people might see it and be able to help. Cant wait to meet the lil man!
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Do you wrap him in a swaddle? so he is nice and tight....
Do you keep the curtains open during the day and close them at night, it will take a while but he will get used to the difference.
Dont talk to him during the night feeds, this will stimulate him and he will think it's playtime.
Tell your husband to complain to someone else!
Use the dummy, and throw out all ideas you had before baby was born.....
Buckle down the hatches and rest during the day as much as you can, you never know what night-time will bring.....you will find it could take a couple of months to get a routine of any sort, try and relax and just do what you both need!
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All sounds totally normal, they are totally random little creatures.

As for the milk going off on the side you aren't feeding that will calm down but it does take a while. I felt permanetly drenched for the first month. I have some collection cups that you can use I will bring them round. I use to get about 40ml just from leakage and then freeze it in ice cube trays, save wasting it. (although sometimes I would have so much I would overfill the cups).
I also found it handy to put a towel all around ready before latching on so that if he messed around or pulled off the towel would soak up the spray rather than my clothes and the sofa.
Honest though it does calm down in the end, just be happy that you have too much milk rather than not enough that would be far worse.

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You are doing really well Kawww.

Babies change what they do everyday even though we do the same thing. He is still very young and still adjusting to life outside the womb so even little changes that we dont notice can be very unsettling for them. Just give it a chance and things will improve. Bella was terrible in the first couple of weeks with sleep and now I get 9hrs straight at night

Also, the continual feeding may be comfort sucking (he just wants to be close to you because that is where he feels safe and secure).
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I use the dummy to settle and my wee man can be completely full and still needs it. Its a comfort thing and they also associate sucking with sleeping....just be thankful it's a dummy and not your boob!
       
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monster..sorry..can it be moved...see half asleep! cuppatea...it just sucks...i know i should be thankful..but that coupled with everything else at 2am is too much.. yeah smartmum...i nearly told him to $%^& off and i never ever speak to him like that.. !

it will soak through the towel in about 5 mins:( poor Ethan's little leg gets wet!
topsy..so how do i know the difference..he still seems to do the same signs...when comfort or hungry.. how did you get 9 hours a night?:)

peanut yes i am....but o keep getting told not to use it...:( LC said it can indicate a problem with feeding:( but it's ok for ten mins of settling...

as far as day and night yes i do all those things..though in depseration Dh was singing and talking and everything today i was like...ugh....stop it's 2am.. don't be so interactive at night time.!!! he told me off for crying...'why are you crying you haven't done anything wrong...'' MEN!
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All sounds normal Kawwww and dont worry about the milk supply.....eventually you stop leaking......eventually (and then every now and then out of the blue you do again WTF?).

You will soon work out that these little creatures are one up on us in that they own the instruction manual.....its a game they play. Get mummy relaxed and feeling kinda in control and then,.....CHANGE THE RULES on her. Little buggers. Rememebr they are little men and like to think that they are in control....but really we still are.

And yes, I thought the same thing.....time to venture out of the preggy section into the big world of first/second babies
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I know I went thru a couple of periods similar to yours when B was about the same age as Ethan. You've probably heard it all before, but a couple of things which helped me out - especially when I seemed to be feeding for half the day was to remember that babies hit regular growth spurts and want to feed a lot more (2,4,6 & 12 weeks if I remember). My wee guy also feed a lot more when it was/is warm, and during the evenings due to lower fat content in BM.

Hang in there, as the others have said, things settle down. I second the idea of the collection cups. If I'm overful on the morning because B has slept late, I often express 10 - 20 mls just to relieve the pressure and so latching doesn't niggle quite as much, good time to start stockpiling the freezer.

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hey kawww - don't expect to get 9 hours a night yet!! He is only just over a week old - the longest Luke was doing at that age was 4 hours... he increased each week, and now does around 9 hours as well.... but never that little.

Milk supply is a funny thing... if you don't want to waste the milk that is leaking while you are feeding him, you can buy these little milk catcher things - they are made by avent - should be at your local baby factory/city. I still leak now, at night and when I feed Luke - just not in between times...
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huh - I miseed cuppateas comment about the collection cups - these are the same idea...
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Yes we were the same quite often after a feed I would have to change my clothes and his clothes and clean the sofa and that was with using the towel, and it made me absolutely miserable, so as far as i'm concerned you have the right to give the hump about it or cry about it if that's what you feel like doing. A good cry helps sometimes.
Unfortunately hungry and tired signs are very similar and it can make it difficult to know which is what, one of my worse mistakes in those first couple of months was thinking he was hungry when he was tired. I can't really think of any advice to give it is just a matter of learning his signs really and building up the confidence to think "no you are not hungry you are tired and you are gonna go to bed". Like I say it was 2 months before I got to that stage.

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The other thing that my mum told me about leaking is that often if you can put pressure on the nipple that is leaking (with another hand) then it lessens the leaking - it seems to mostly work with me now.
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problem with expressing is i have to steralise the hand pump which i cant do with one hand or while h's crying:( he wont latch on teh left side which is probably why it leaks so much i guess...i express every second time but didnt last night or this morning..just trying to figure out how to have a shower before Mum gets here at 1245..lol

bel no i dont expect 9....4 at night would be great..he does 4 during the day all the time:(! 2 months:) seems so far away.. but i know ..i will get there..i can see why people give up bfing at this stage that's for sure:(

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bel thanks..i will try that..
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Yeah but that whole 2 months wasn't as bad as the first few weeks, cos we had got night and day sorted (still only doing 3 hours at night but that was cos he is so ickle), so it was just in the day that I was creating myself problems really and each day would be different some we would get right and then others would be a total mother and he would be up all day, but it was me miss reading his signs, once I realised that and worked on it got better and by 3 months we were in a roughish routine.

Remember 9 months seemed like forever but now you have a baby. So 2 months might sound like ages but before you know it you will be there. Just take each feed and each sleep one at a time, don't look at days or weeks or months, just what you are doing right now.

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yes thats a good point.. 9 months did seem like forever so i can do 2 months.. *goes to put him into his bed so she can have a shower*:)

Mum's coming to visit today..you are coming tomorrow.. so got some stuff to look forward too.. wonder how long before I can walk around the block:) !
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Kawww those first few weeks are extremely tough and nothing can prepare you for it. Just hang in there, time will fly by so fast and when you start getting more sleep, smiles, and the hang of things you will see why you had this little baby I can remember being where you are now thinking how hard it was and now for me things are improving heaps

As for the comfort sucking, it is when the do the stop start sucking rather than the continual sucking. I unlatch and burp when Bella starts doing that (burping frees up room in their tummy) and then give more boob until the comfort sucking starts again. Then I know she is full. I am no expert but that is what works for me. Bella was a real comfort sucker in those early weeks and I spent continual hours on the couch thinking she was hungry because she kept showing me hungry signs (which were probably tired signs).

As for getting 9hrs of sleep( she has only been doing it for the past week but was getting 6 or 7 before that), I didnt do anything special at all apart from a bedtime routine- feed, bath, massage, change her into bedtime clothes, feed topup(with EBM) then bed.

Also, once he works out his night and day he should settle much more quickly at night. If I do have to get up now it takes 15mins max to feed and put her bed and she falls asleep straight away.



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a trick to the shower thing (coz I couldnt stand leaving him crying - pushover!) was to put him in a bouncer and put that in the bathroom with you. You can pull faces and sing silly songs etc while you get your shower. No its not relaxing butits less guilty.

The other option is wait till your Mum comes round. dump ethan on her and hit the shower for a LONG TIME!!!
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