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    Posted: 24 February 2008 at 8:01am
Working at a religious school has really made me think about a few things. Firstly, i am not a religious person and believe what you believe in is deeply personal. Besides people at owrk, I don't really know anyone who goes regulary to church.

Anyway, was talking to my class and ALL of the kids go to church, and what I found more surprising - they all love it and would ALL go, even if their parents didn't. I grew up in Taumarunui and went to the local high school - very much going to church and enjoying it is a foreign concept to me. the kids in my class can be naughty, but it's more cause of their age and development, rather than a vindictiveness or nastiness on their part and I've been thinking - thats what I want jake and Taine to turn out like. So am seriously considering going to church with them. BUT am also tossing up whether I am only thinking this because I'm at the school. Next year if I change, will Is till feel the same way? (oh yeah, to work at the school permanently I must "embrace the special character of the school" - i take this to mean "go to church") And if there is anything I do believe about God it is that he wouldn't appreciate me going to church to merely become employed.

i don't know - am really pondering all of this. I was thinking about stuff over xmas as I don't like how commercialised it has become and how the religious aspect has been lost - but am trying to teach the boys it is more about being with family.

Oh i don't knwo. What do you do with your kids? does religion play a big part in the way you bring them up? And for those of you with faith - how do you know?? Is it something you really believe in, or just a habit?

Oh yeah, hope I'm not offending people, but am truely curious
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I would never consider going to church, though I would be ok with sending my kids to a school like that (though maybe not primary - I don't want them brainwashed!) IMO everyone should be able to grow up and decide for themselves what religion if any they should be a part of - not being told that "this religion" is right from when they're too young to judge for themselves.

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I'm the same Lizzle, I have absolutely not religion in my life but I'm really interested and want to go to church just to see, but then I'm not sure if thats what its all about. I like the whole concept of everyone helping each other out and think I believe but I don't know enough about it IYKWIM.

I don't want to force something on the kids but wouldn't mind them having some sort of religion in their lives, if they chose not to continue with it when their older than thats totally up to them.
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I can't remember the exact figure but its something like 90-95% of all children will grow up to embrace the same faith of their parents eg the one that they were raised with. So I think its an incredibly important decision- good on you for giving it some serious thought.

I love the saying "There is no such thing as a Christian/Muslim/Athiest/Jewish (insert belief system here) child- just a child raised by Christian/Muslim/Athiest... Parents".

DH and I are both Athiests and will raise the girls with our beliefs. We are already teaching them about evolution but also explain about other peoples beliefs in a way as to hopefully not influence them so they can come to their own choices when the time comes. I believe that religion and morality are mutually exclusive- I know right from wrong, as will my girls.

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The only way to decide Lizzle is to go along and find out, if its not for you then you'll know.
In my experience christian churches are very welcoming and open and you might enjoy it.

I went to catholic school for all my education and not all of my teachers were catholic. "by embracing the special character of the school" doesn't mean you have to be converted.

There are always a large number of non-religious parents sending their children to religious schools so there must be some benefit from it.

Church has changed a lot in the last few years and is more a sense of community than a forced doctorine.



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Well we were sent to church and sunday school as children, even though our parents didn't have religious beliefs as they felt that they could talka botu evolution etc, sunday school could talk about god and we could make up our own minds. I have flitted between the 2 and would say that now I am agnostic.

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I was raised as a catholic and went to a Catholic School from Primary School to College. I consider myself religious but don't think I have to go to church ever week to be 'religious'.

We have Harry going to a Catholic School and I did struggle with that a bit. We have a decil 10 school two minutes walk from our house so would have been really ideal but a part of me wanted him to have some kind of 'introduction' to religion and wanted that to be at Primary School. He hasn't started, and I wonder if I have made the right decision as the school is not in our community so he may miss out on some local friends but I'm sure it will sort itself out.

Maybe when Harry goes to school we will start going to Church but not 100% sure about that, we will see
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Both DH and I grow up in religious families niether of us now go to chuch, Im going to let the boys deiced if church is for them, we'll support them either way
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Ok so from someone that does go to church I guess all I can say is nothing ventured nothing gained if you really intreasted maybe check some out there are some pretty good ones in Palmy jsut be aware the first one you try might not be your cup of tea so try more then one. we really arn't scary people as some people might think most of us and I use this term looslely are pertty normal people who just happen to be christain's.
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As a child i was taken to a cathloic church and i hated it , as it just seemed so routine and it never really meant anything.

Now however, i got to City Impact church morning and night on a sunday and i absolutly love it , And as for the all the kids they love it , they jump up and down during the music and have a great time then go out to Childrens Church (not sunday school!!) and do heaps of cool stuff , I can't wait for my bubs to be able to go!!

Lizzle- not sure what part of nz ur in but if your in auckland i would definitly recommend city impact they also have churches in invercargill queenstown and balclutha, and in answer to the question is it just a habit? .. definitly not it is so much more. If you have any questions feel free to PM me !

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I agree, go check it out...explore for yourself and see what you find. A good church will welcome both you and your questions with no problems.

If you are really curious then why not seek out an Alpha course? It is a non threatening way of learning about God and Jesus and it is all explained in simple terms. I highly recommend these courses!

Chruches do differ so yes do check out several if you want to. But yes we have all changed a lot! (we have drums and electric guitars and stuff and even clap along to worship songs and all!! )

I don't think it's any great secret that Maddie will be raised learning about our faith but it will be up to her to chose to follow Jesus.

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My children go to a catholic primary school and I am pretty sure they arent getting brainwashed! I am raising my kids in the catholic faith but they have also learnt about other religions as the Inlaws are a different faith and they have attended their church when staying out there. They know there are all different things out there and they dont necessarily have to stay catholic when they are older. I love the emphaises on family, community, and education within the catholic faith. Granted my kids are more naive than most but they are also have a great understanding of love, honesty and sincerity (sp?). I heart my kids primary!!

BTW just to clarify I was no way meaning other schools dont offer all these great things either, I went to a public school myself.


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DH and I are christian and belong to a local church, and we'll raise our kids with the faith that we believe in, and at the end of the day, Ella will choose what she wants out of life herself - so yes, we hope to influence her with christian beliefs, but she's of course free to make up her own mind, and she'll be influenced by the beliefs of other people in her life too, which is all fine and dandy (because I'm all for making religious choices rather than simply following the herd). 

I guess you could go to a church if you're interested, and if it's really not for you, just don't go back!!  There's so many different kinds of christian churches and some people are really uncomfortable with some types of church but love others - maybe ask around to try and get an idea of which kind might be what you're after?  (I can give you an idea of what ones in town have what style of service, if that helps).  And if you visit one and don't like it, you don't have to go again the next week.  But if you're after some info about the basics of christianity, the Alpha course that Paws mentioned is meant to be good for that (and apparently fun, I'm told).  Some churches run them, some don't. 

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Originally posted by Andie Andie wrote:

  But if you're after some info about the basics of christianity, the Alpha course that Paws mentioned is meant to be good for that (and apparently fun, I'm told).  Some churches run them, some don't. 



Don't forget the free meals or at least free dessert!!

You do tend to have a pretty good time at them, depending on the group of course...I've attended a number of them as I've helped run them. (and was in no way influenced to help out with the free meal!)

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I totally agree with the idea that you should let your children decide for themselves at some stage. I'm not overly religous, but I do have some beliefs and faith, and my children will be bought up in a "God Friendly" house, I have just last week started taking Jake to a Catholic Pre School, and I want them both to go to the school the pre school belongs to. I like the idea that the school backs up what we might teach them at home, and instills values etc that we would teach at home, but might be lacking at school.
I think faith in *something* is a nice thing to hold onto in bleak moments, and not everyone has faith in God, but most people have *something* that gets them throught he hard times.
I want my Children to choose if they want to follow on with the grouding that we have given them, they might not choose to follow any of it, but I will ba happy knowing I gave them a choice.
Am having trouble getting DH to commit to the whole baptism thing, but I will get my way, I always do.
I find it kind of offensive that you might think religion at primary school is "brainwashing"....
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I'm a Christian too so we go to Church most Sundays but Christianity is a real part of our everyday lives and it is 'real' to us, not just 'habitual/religious' IYGWIM. We bring our girls along with us, I guess we would like to influence them but when they are older we'll be letting them make their own choice about it. If nothing else it's good practice for learning to participate in a service whether it be a wedding/funeral/etc. We usually stay in for the singing and take them out to children's program/creche for the sermon. They can be long for adults let alone kids who have already been on good behaviour (stayed in rows etc) for the singing half.

As for embracing the school's ... whatever the phrase was - I wouldn't take that as a dictation that you have to go to Church or be converted etc, I think it's more about how you are at work and that you're not standing in the way of whatever you have to teach that is 'religious school ish' but not your personal belief. I wouldn't have read it more than that.
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Originally posted by Kels Kels wrote:

My children go to a catholic primary school and I am pretty sure they arent getting brainwashed! I am raising my kids in the catholic faith but they have also learnt about other religions as the Inlaws are a different faith and they have attended their church when staying out there. They know there are all different things out there and they dont necessarily have to stay catholic when they are older. I love the emphaises on family, community, and education within the catholic faith. Granted my kids are more naive than most but they are also have a great understanding of love, honesty and sincerity (sp?). I heart my kids primary!!


BTW just to clarify I was no way meaning other schools dont offer all these great things either, I went to a public school myself.



I should have read the posts properly, this is EXACTLY what I was gettingat, r.e the parochial schools vs secular schools thing.
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Alpha is a good way to learn. I used to lead an Alpha course. Some of the larger churches have their own versions of intro to Christianity courses. Some people love Alpha and some find it a bit dry so just hunt around.

In most churches nowadays there is a big emphasis on giving kids/people the space to make their own decisions. It's great to teach them things and obviously they follow their parents lead when they are very little but they need to make their own decisions and choose their own personal faith. Christianity is all about a personal faith, kids just get basic info, and sunday school etc is mainly about fun. They decide if and when they are ready to make a personal decision.

For me....it's not about religion, it is about faith...a personal and living relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about a set of rules such as you must go to church or you must not do this or that.

It is a combination of things. To start with, it is about using your head and learning but as with anything there is a point where you have to move beyond pure reasoning and have faith. e.g. in Christianity you have faith in God, in evolution you have "faith" in science and concepts such as the big bang etc. There is always an unknown element that goes beyond our human ability to understand. Faith is a reality in all our lives whether we recognise it or not.

I was brought up in a Christain home but dropped away from it as a teenager. I randomly went back to church at 21 and haven't turned back. I regret the years I spent away from the church. There are several reasons for my faith:
1. I beleive the idea of a creator to be more acceptable (to me) than a random selection of chances. Our universe is amazingly intricate and I just don't see that THAT many chances...all the millions of things that have to be in perfect balance in order for us to be here can just be random.
2. After getting past the "head knowledge" stage I have had personal experiences (nothing freaky!!!) that make me know, beyond doubt that there is a God.
3. The Christian way of life makes sense to me. If everyone followed the 10 commandments for example imagine how wonderful our world would be! It would be so different from the way it is now. I could rant and rave about this bit but I won't LOL!

I hope that answers your questions! I'm really useless at talking about all this!
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As you can see from the other posts there are lots of different opinions so heres my 2 cents. My husband was brought up with church etc and takes our boys along because it teaches good values, is part of our community and I think he enjoys it. I wasn't brought up with it and can take it or leave it - sometimes church is interesting and thought provoking and other times pretty boring. I think it good for the kids to get an idea about it for them selves and do the foodbank and other donations. When they are older I expect they will be less keen and wonder why I don't go often and I will happily discuss this with them. Give it a try because you have nothing to lose and can change you mind at any time.
Oh and as to the school thing - usually it means you will follow the "party line" as such.
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Originally posted by FionaS FionaS wrote:


For me....it's not about religion, it is about faith...a personal and living relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about a set of rules such as you must go to church or you must not do this or that.


I love that you said that!! It's not about religion and that is a word I don't like...it is all about faith!

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