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    Posted: 28 May 2008 at 12:01pm

So, a post I read yesterday got me thinking...all night, so I want to try to word this with-out offending anyone.

Do you think the stigma around being a single mum comes from yourself, worrying and being paranoid about what people think, or do you think that it is put on you by other peoples opinions.

I believe in my situation it is totally in my mind, I haven't been single all along so it is a reasonably new thing to me...but I hate telling people, most of the people I work with don't know, if they ask anything about the ex I just answer. (IF someone asks me strait up, I dont lie about it though) I haven't told Ethans day care, I haven't  told my coffee group, I am just so worried about what people will think of me being a single mum, Yet everyone that does know or find out is really really positive about it, like it's no big deal.

I know my situation isn't that unusual but I didn't plan on raising a child on my own, it wasn't part of the master plan. But I don't think that I can totally accept this until I start to be honest about it......

Sorry for the long post but I am not kidding I was up most of the night thinking about this....,


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So, how do you feel when you think about being a single mother? When you think about telling others, how does that make you feel?
I honestly commend the majority of single mothers, as most bring up thier children t an exceptional standard, work, care for and nurture their children. And yes, I try to be positive to a single mother, and act like its no big deal because to me, its not.

I was brought up for most of my life by a single father.I think that the stigma around that is big! And i know there will be those out there that disagree totally with the idea of single parents full stop, but like you said, it wasnt part of your master plan! So how can people look down on it?? I dont feel i can judge s single mother at all, but i will say that the ones I do look at in a not so favourable light, well,l lets just say I have my reasons.
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First up - big hugs to you Natalie.

I really believe that in this day and age the stigma of being a single mum is nowhere near what it used to be. I was raised by a single mum (my dad was killed in a car accident when I was 5), and it was really hard for her. People looked down at her when she went to work full time, yucky men would annoy her as they thought she'd be desperate for a man, and it was generally a not nice situation back in the 80's.

But you - do not be ashamed of being a sole parent. You are a strong woman to be able to do what you do, and don't ever feel you are not good enough. Because you are proving every single day that you are.

So don't be afraid to tell daycare, tell work, tell the world. When you are ready.   Unless you want people to know, it is nobody's business but your own.
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I am not a single mum but would like to comment....

I admire single mothers, I think that most didn't choose to be in the situation they are in.

As long as parents, whether they be single or coupled, are looking after their children then they should be supported.

Hugs to you...

p.s sometimes it takes a while to get use to the idea esp when your single status is new and most people think you are partnered. Everytime you tell someone it brings all the feelings flooding back....this isn't my situation but my parenst seperated 2 years ago after 27 years marriage and I still haven't told some friends as feel weird about it and haven't quite dealt with it myself yet.
       
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i think they same post got me thinking aswell i have found most people stop talking to me if i metion i,m a mother let alone a single one most people admire or say they do single mums but relly they judge them insted of looking at the way they rasie there childern or how the conduct themselves i think you should be proud of yourselve we are doing the hardest job on earth by ourselves and ne we didnt plan it this way but we are doing a dam good job at it
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I think it's half and half, but I do think that *most* (coz there's an exception to every rule!) single mothers are waaay harder on themselves than anyone else ever would be. Accepting that you are a single mother, for whatever reason/s, means accepting that things are not the way you would have wanted or planned for them to be, and that is a tough thing to come to terms with.

I do definitely think tho that there is still a societal stigma attached to single parenting, altho as Joshierocks said, it is far less prevalent than it was even 15 years ago. In some ways I think this serves a useful purpose - we certainly don't want society *encouraging* people to become single mothers, but at the same time, it does present a situation where women who find themselves as single mothers by circumstance and not by choice feel ostracized.

I think too that it's dangerous to lump all single mothers together. IMO there is a huge difference between someone who has children in a relationship with the best of expectations for the future and then that relationship fails, to someone who makes the decision to have a child knowing that they are going to be on their own (meaning pre-conception, not those who find themselves accidentally pregnant).

There's also a big difference between a single mum who works to support herself and her child, or uses the DPB as a stop-gap method while her child/ren are too young to be in care/school, or to further her training to improve their future possibilities, and those who view the DPB as a handout to enable them to sit at home on their butts and keep having more babies. IMO there's no shame in being on the DPB, been there done that myself, the shame is in not wanting or striving for better for your child/ren.

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This topic is certainly close to home for me, in fact I think I was the one who had mentioned the social stigma that surrounds us single mothers in a previous post.

It's never bugged me as such, I'm proud of the fact that I am a single mother & coping incredibly well (although admittedly I've been down in the dumps the last few days due to lots of diff reasons but today we are all fine and dandy here )

My situation is different in the fact that I knew I was going to be on my own from day one, what I had with Lucas' father could barely be deemed a fling, let alone a relationship. So I didn't expect a positive reaction out of him when I told him I was preggers, 3 months into the pregnancy he decided he would piss off to Australia (fine by me, he was causing so much stress & trouble by that stage). He never wanted me to keep baby, but I blocked him out and ditched my friends (well, the people who I thought were my friends but were on his side & backstabbing). Totally on my own I decided to go through with this, full well knowing I would be on my own. Even my parents were skeptical. But they came around eventually, both Mum & Dad were there holding my hands and helping with the birth.

To this day I have no regrets, nor do I feel ashamed to say I'm a solo mother, but I do get sick of people/strangers just assuming that I have a partner when they strike up a conversation. I always quickly jump in and correct them, their reactions usually leave a lot to be desired.

They TRY to be nice and praise me on what a good job i'm doing etc etc, but I can see the judgemental look they get in their eye. It's THEIR problem. Not mine.

But in saying that, not all people are that way inclined. Some people are genuine.

I'll give you an example for instance, I was depositing money into the bank last week, the teller started trying to tell me all about kiwisaver etc, so I said no that doesn't apply, I'm on the DPB. She stopped and looked at me awkwardly and said 'Sorry?' ...so I repeated myself a bit louder, to which she replied 'Oh' ....yup that's right 'OH' ...nothing else followed, and as I turned around to leave a few people in the line were staring at me because no doubt they would have overheard.

I actually think half the stigma doesn't come from being a solo mother necessarily, I think a lot of it has to do with being on the benefit/dpb, working people holding grudges over the fact that their taxes go toward supporting us. But then that's just my opinion.

So in answer to your question, I think it is other peoples opinions that create this stigma, it's certainly not how I feel. I'm so proud of being on my own, I can't see myself looking for a partner for years to come. Totally not interested.

Ok finished
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Opps and by 'I knew I was going to be on my own from day 1' ..I meant as in, when I found out I was pregnant and talked to bubs father, I knew that whatever decision I made regarding baby, I would be on my own.
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See this is the whole silly thing. I know that I shouldn't feel this way, I had nothing to do with becoming a single mum, and I know that I am a really really good parent, I feel that I have got a good balance between staying home and working, and it works well for both of us, but I still feel so wrong about it.

I won a free family photo shoot with a new company and some free photos and all that, in the small print it said your entire family must attend the session, I almost didn't ring them and make an appointment because my entire family is just me and Ethan...(I went though and it was AWESOME)

All I am hoping is that it becomes more comfortable for me as time goes on. It's not super new, been 8 months now, but I thought I would be feeling better and more accepting about this after that amount of time...

Thanks for listening ladies....


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thats nother thing that annoys me i was in realship with james father but things didnt work out so i spilt with him 7 weeks later i,m looking at a postive test now many people may think well you got preggy on purpose but i didnt i was on the pill it didnt work i dont belive in abortion and i could adbout him out i loved him from that moment i stop drinking like a fish and planed my furture for my baby and me i had worked since i was 16 and the job i was in was bearel surporting me let alnoe a baby so went on the dpb now i,m thinking on furter training for a better life for me and my child yes i,m on the dpb and i,m so glad it is there if it wasnt i would be able to surport my son but this thing about "my taxes are surporting you" yes they are and for that i will always thankfull but only 1% goes toward benefits my fav saying is -there for but for the grace of god go i

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I'm trying really hard to word this in a way that's not offensive please please please if it appears so it's really not meant to be.

Reading previous posts it's only the solo mums that have posted that think that there's a stigma around solo mums and people act or treat them differently. I've never ever heard someone putting another woman down for being a solo mum (which is just as well since my since was a solo teenage mum on a sickness benefit - talk about reasons for stigma - and I would have bitten their heads off if anyone generalised negatively about people in those situations).

I agree that there probably are people out there that think badly of single mums, but there are also people out there that think that working mums don't love their kids enough, that married mums that stay at home are freeloaders, or that 'educated' women who give up their careers to have kids are wasting their good minds.

I am not a solo mum but I am trying to relate this to my situation (cos it's all about me...just kidding) to get my point across. For me personally I think my own insecurities about being a working mum are most of the time the reason that I think other people judge me for being a working mum, in all honesty when I think about it logically I doubt most people give it a second thought. Maybe it's the same for solo mums, sahm's, educated mums etc.

edited since 'education mums' is really bad english

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There is huge stigma esp when you are on the DPB. After I had DD1 I was a single mum for 3 years and people were NASTY, looking down on me and always asking the whole "when are you going to get a job?" I was studying to be a nurse FFS then when baby #3 comes along and he is exactly a week old I am again a single mum. This time on maternity leave and due to the pressure I put on myself as a mother I refused to go on the DPB and lived off my mat leave, family assistance and accomodation suppliment. I returned to work when I was sick of being dirt poor.

There were also people who were alot nicer this time around, I like it was a change in society too as previous experience had been 11 years ago and also I wasnt a teenager anymore.

In saying this I still did and do come across judgemental people and I know this because they treat me soooo different as a single mum BUT as soon as they notice I work or see my work badge I get the highest respect...... I feel like saying   "Ummmm hello I am a single mum before I am a nurse and believe it or not I was pregnant at college".

It does not take a super mum to be a single mum, anyone of us would do it and do it well in the same situation, its what you do to survive and altho it can be hard, it can also be very easy as I have the kids to focus on no one else lol

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BTW I do not believe I am any better than single mum who stays at home...... she has the harder job


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Good timing Kels, I was about to ask if those that feel there is a stigma have noticed whether it comes from people of certain ages (due to the fact that they possibly were raised during a different era).

If there is a stigma it's stupid really. There have been solo mums and dads (for one reason or another) since the beginning of mankind.
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Originally posted by thunderwolves thunderwolves wrote:

Do you think the stigma around being a single mum comes from yourself, worrying and being paranoid about what people think, or do you think that it is put on you by other peoples opinions.




i am not a single mum but wanted to say that i believe that we are our worst enemies.

wether you feel bad because you are single mum, or bottle feed, or put your child in daycare or fed them solids at 3 mths or whatever.... it is mostly what we are telling outselves.

sure there are some people out there who look down on single mothers, but there are people out there who will look down on you if you choose to wear your child instead of using a pram as well.

so yeah i suspect it may come from your own paranoia and partly - in your case - because of shame and embarrasment.

oh btw - i dont think i look down on single mums but do know in my own mind i make a distinction between a single mum who chose that lifestyle and one who didnt...

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Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by thunderwolves thunderwolves wrote:

Do you think the stigma around being a single mum comes from yourself, worrying and being paranoid about what people think, or do you think that it is put on you by other peoples opinions.




i am not a single mum but wanted to say that i believe that we are our worst enemies.

wether you feel bad because you are single mum, or bottle feed, or put your child in daycare or fed them solids at 3 mths or whatever.... it is mostly what we are telling outselves.

sure there are some people out there who look down on single mothers, but there are people out there who will look down on you if you choose to wear your child instead of using a pram as well.

so yeah i suspect it may come from your own paranoia and partly - in your case - because of shame and embarrasment.

oh btw - i dont think i look down on single mums but do know in my own mind i make a distinction between a single mum who chose that lifestyle and one who didnt...


Agreed, especially the last part.

There are exceptions to every rule, though, and my pet peeve, having a teenager in the house, is the schoolage teenage girl who thinks oh I'll just have a baby now cos I'll keep my boyfriend. Or Ill have a baby cos all my friends are and its sooo cool. We had a teen couple in our ante natal class, really lovely people and she said those girls made her sick, and she knew quite a few who got pregnant purposely for those reasons. Like in everything, it only takes a few rotten eggs to make the whole lot smell.
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I'm not sure if there is a stigma or not. Totally agree that we are our worst enemies. Looking inwards and assessing ourselves is good for short periods of growth but not good on an ongoing basis.

My Mum was a single Mum and did an amazing job of raising me and my sister who was 100% dependent (blind and disabled). She showed amazing strength and courage and was better at managing money that I will ever be. As I grew up in that environment I will certainly never judge a single parent...as far as I am concerned she was as good as a Mum and a Dad put together. I do however know there are some areas I struggle with that are related to the lack of a father but they pale in significance to the great job Mum did.

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I haven't read the rest of the posts and I could be overly optimistic but I think the single mum stigma is driven by our own insecurities.

Being a young, single mum who doesn't know the father of her child however does bring it's own troubles!
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I think there is one (well there is one in Palmy). I sometimes hate going out with the boys and people looking at me like you have those boys by yourself crazy woman. I do keep in my head that I AM married, but at the moment I am doing it by myself as I have to for MY family.

In Palmy there is a real stigma and you see it every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday (and this is just Palmy I see it in), girls out in big groups with the flashest prams, flashest clothes for their baby and all sitting in the square eating McD's and smoking.

In some ways I pride myself knowing that I don't have to have the flashest pram for Andrew and Josh and that they are happy in K Mart, TnT clothes with the odd PP and JK thrown in.

I'm not saying that any of the single mum's here do what I wrote above, I just see it so often in Palmy.

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Back in my day - ok 13 years ago.  I didn't come across any kind of Stigma, I had a very supportive family and extended family.  Even my parents friends were very supportive and helped Conor and I out ALOT. WINZ were amazing to me, I had a wonderful case manager who I also saw as a friend, she helped me out immensely, basically told me if I didn't ask I wouldn't get, she even told me what I needed to ask for. 

I have to agree with Nikki on this one. I didn't feel insecure so I didn't feel embarassed by being a single mum to a little boy. 

 

 

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Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

There are exceptions to every rule, though, and my pet peeve, having a teenager in the house, is the schoolage teenage girl who thinks oh I'll just have a baby now cos I'll keep my boyfriend. Or Ill have a baby cos all my friends are and its sooo cool.


Oooh you forgot the one where "I'll just have a baby now coz they are soooo cute" *rolls eyes*

I must say tho that I think I've put DSD (15) off pregnancy for life, she doesn't find the throwing up all the time very attractive...
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