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    Posted: 26 January 2009 at 8:09am
Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on 17 year old Halatau and the police shooting.

I have to say it's a tricky one. My first reaction was anger that the police had done this, but then I tried to put myself in the shoes of the AO squad and then it became a far more complicated situation. Obviously the Police officers wouldn't have wanted to shoot him and I can't imagine they would have fired if they new he was in their line of fire, but how did it happen?

I really feel for his poor family and it blows me away everytime I see his mother on the news saying she doesn't blame anyone. That's one tough lady. I wonder how she's going to feel about the whole thing once the shock wears off. Not to mention the poor lady is due to give birth today.
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It's a hard one huh. I feel for the police officer though, like you say it's not like they would have done it on purpose, I'm sure the person who fired the shot just feels absolutely awful.

Of course, can't say how I'd feel if it was someone close to me that had been shot.
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I also feel its very hard to answer. It was an accident and people do have to accept (in time) that but it doesn't make it any easier for either the officer or the family.

I would be more angry at the offender, they are the reason why this all happened.

Its like something out of LA, not Auckland!

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hehe I'm going to go completely off topic here - sorry.
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I feel very sorry for Halatau's family, the police officer and their family because they all have to live with this.

IMO it was tragedy and the only person that should shoulder the blame is the asshole that was on the run brandishing a rifle, if it weren't for him this sad and tragic accident wouldn't have happened.

It's awful that Halatau's 3 kids will grow up without their Dad.



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I'm confused about how many kids he has. I know about the 2 year old girl and I'm sure the News said at the beginning that his wife to be was pregnant with twins, then it said she had a m/c at Xmas. If she had a m/c at Xmas, how do they know about the twins? Or have I just got the whole thing muddled up......

It sucks either way, for the family and the babies. I can't imagine having such a terrible thing happen. The horrible part is that not only has their lives been destroyed, but the officer that took the shot will suffer for the rest of his life too.

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I didn't hear about the mc.  What I read was that he has a 2yo and his wife is due with twins next month.  Maybe the mc was last Christmas.
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It's all pretty tragic and lots happened in my neighbourhood (a couple of houses down from Daniel's carer ). They still don't know if it was a direct shot or if it ricocheted (sp) off a car/van.

I agree Jo, the (alleged) idiot (bastard) should be shouldering the blame for this. I really feel for the AOS guys - I imagine they would be going through hell now.

And awful for his partner and kid(s). .   
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It's just a miserable situation all round. I totally agree that it's the idiot with the gun's fault. I feel dreadful for th poor man's family, and for the police involved.

I just hope the media doesn't thrash the police too much. I'm sure they feel dreadful enough already.

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Originally posted by Danaj Danaj wrote:

I'm confused about how many kids he has. I know about the 2 year old girl and I'm sure the News said at the beginning that his wife to be was pregnant with twins, then it said she had a m/c at Xmas. If she had a m/c at Xmas, how do they know about the twins? Or have I just got the whole thing muddled up......



In the Sunday Herald yesterday there was an interview with the fiance, she had a mc in December,(as in the one just been ) it didn't mention anything about her being pregnant with twins , or one , now.
They were planning a valentines wedding as well , so they would have been getting married next month , poor thing

I feel bad for the family, the police officer who shot him, and blame the a**hole who caused the whole tragedy in the first place.

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Unfortunately, this kind of thing is a police officers worst nightmare...

I pretty much echo what you ladies have already said, it is a *huge* tragedy for all involved...

DH on the other hand *sigh*
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I think its absolutely horrible and so sad but I do have to woner how it all happened I mean we don't know the story and there will be a huge investigation so it must be a horrible time for the guy that did shoot him.

I do think there are two separate issues here, one is the idiot who caused it all and I hope he gets what he deserves. The other is whether or not the police went about it the right way because killing an innocent child is a horrible mistake to make and not something anyone should get off lightly for if they did something wrong. Either way I hope there is a lot of support for both the victims family and the police officer who shot him.
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I feel so sorry for the families of all involved and I hope that they are all getting the support that they need! I cannot begin to imagine how hard it would be for Halatau's family

I've just seen a picture on the Herald website which shows where everyone was when the shooting happened, for me it makes it easier to understand.
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I feel sorry for the policeman, for Hals family too and yesterday as kelly said was no mention of due with twins, only that she had had a miscarriage and that they were getting married
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I feel so sad for his family, what a terrible tragedy.

I also feel for the officer involved as this will change his life and he will never be able to forget it. Having said that, he/she is trained to perform a task, and given the proximity of the officer to the offender, I struggle to see how a 'stray bullet' should have hit any bystanders. If that was even a threat, the officers should have been firing from a different direction to avoid an incident like this.

Unfortunately its one of those things where we don't know all the details and probably mistakes were made and shots shouldn't have been fired so close to the other victims, but at the time they did what felt right in the interests of other citizens and capturing the offender. I just wish the person that was dead, if anyone had to die, was the offender (even though everyone would probably kick up a big fuss about that if it happened, as they have done before).

DH's parting words on the matter was that the AOS isn't that highly trained and only train to shot to kill at 20 metres, the CTAG (arm of the SAS that does urban stuff in Auckland) would have had no issues.
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This about the offender from his lawyer from the Heralds recent update:

"I don't know how long he has been using methamphetamine. He is suffering both emotionally and physically."


ooohhhhhh, Poor him, really??? He's suffering emotionally?? Someone get the poor wittle man a violin......
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I also heard that their defence started with saying he can't remember anything that happened on Friday. I'm sorry but being drugged up is not an excuse, I think you should get an even harsher punishment for being stupid enough to do drugs like that in the first place. The world is full of idiots and this is just another one that has wrecked the lives of many innocent people.
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I can't see how after looking at that photo it could have been considered a good shot, not with the van sitting right behind the offender. Terrible tragedy.
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I agree with those who said about the flippen idiot who went on a drug fueled speeding trip through town with a gun should be the one to be angry at! He put everyone in danger i guess it was luck that more people were not hurt imagine the mess he could have made. "he is suffering" oh please! what a load of crap im sure he/lawyer will say anything at the moment!
Anyway the poor AOS guy who made the shot i feel for him and his family i did hear on the news this morning that it was a clear shot but then the driver of the truck slammed on his breaks to try get the idiot who was pointing the gun at him off his flat deck and thats when things turned wrong.
I also feel for the boys family it must be very hard for them i hope they get the support they need.
Having been to a few AOS call outs its not a nice situation to be in you have no idea what is going to happen and it all changes so quickly.
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Poor Halatau just happened to be in the same line as the stupid 50 year old (get a life!!) that he got shot. So sad fo his DF and to think their wedding date will come soon and she be a wreck all over again..

All that pain he caused because he snatched a bag and wanted to get away from the police. What a total loser!!
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