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    Posted: 06 July 2009 at 10:13pm

If a Mother has no money, and has run out of nappies, whether or not WINZ or someone else can give them money to buy them some?

Would they make them prove what they have spent their money on?

I got asked for money today from a mother (of whom I hardly know) due to professional reasons I wasnt allowed to buy them. But now Im sitting here worried sick this child is sitting in the same nappy
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WINZ offer a food grant to all which may cover nappies. Could you do a donation or talk to a shop owner/manager for her?
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Thanks, do you know if they only offer the grant every so often?

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You get so much money a year, that includes everyone too. It's like 1500? or 1800? Don't quote me lol. But they assess your needs and give you what they think you need
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You can only get 4 food grants a year from memory, and you have to provide reciepts and a bank statement showing where your money has gone.
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How about the Sallies? Maybe they could help?

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Possibly, it is probably too late now as it was yesterday that she had run out. She was being paid her benefit today, just hoping she went to winz yesterday.
Is the benefit really so little? She manages to buy cigarettes

Anyway, thanks so much ladies
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dont mean to sound harsh, but if she can afford to buy cigarettes, then she should be able to afford nappies, especially given ciggys start at what $12 a packet, and the most basic nappies are only $5.


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Yup, Kazzle thats exactly my thinking as well, which is why I am super frustrated.

I had offered to give the boy breakfast tommorow as she was asking for money for milk, and she said "yeah but he still doesnt have nappies for today or tommorow" I told her I didnt have any money (cause I actually didnt!)
No, "thanks for the offer" from her or anything. It was if she was making it my problem, and it I felt incredibly guilty all night. Was up all night with worry, dammit!

I just wanted to know if she had "other" options really.



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The benefit isn't much, but it's enough to provide for the kids on. TBH, if I went on the DPB, I'd be better off financially then I am with my partner.
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That is terrible, and put you in an awful situation too.
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I don't want to be harsh, because if I had no nappies I would be frantic!! Buuuuut.   Being on a benefit, it is enough to survive on and have a small amount of luxuries.   I make sure I have enough nappies to last more than a week and milk and bread and other items.

Nappies are more important than cigarettes!

The salvation army should be able to help if she gets stuck again, and I NEVER get given food grants so I've given up asking for one, they tell me not to pay my bills for a week instead
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It is a tough situation to be put in, she is not a close friend, you will never see your money back, & she will come to you again & again. Bet she has a cloth nappy or old towel somewhere. Money for smokes I think. (sorry if that sounds hard)

I get anoyed at the ones who smoke & play the pokies, they always have money for that & drinks, but cheap nappies $5 & $3 milk they never have money for that.

It is tough now with money for most with the price of things.

As far as I know you can not get the food grant unless you are on a benifit & beg. Correct me if I am wrong as I would love one, my boys don't stop eating
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BTW I ran out of nappies this morning & raced off to Foodtown, for the cheapest at $5.25ish, but they did not have the size I wanted, so went to PNS & got some for $4.99

neeandsam, I think that sucks, are you ment to get behind with your bills to eat??

I have a friend on a benefit, she was told not to pay school fees & get food instead, then she was told by the school her child could not go to the school ball cause she did not pay the school fees.

Why do WINS have to be so hard on some & others get everything.

I hear yesterday that some WINS jobs are going, the ones that look after the children in danger, not the ones that sit there & so no to you cause you can buy food, so WTF is going on?

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This is going to sound really harsh but anyway...

of course she's trying to make it your problem. If she is running out of money because she isn't budgeting correctly and blowing it all on ciggies etc rather than providing the basics for her baby then she obviously has *no* idea of how to take responsibility.

I think you're very kind to worry (and I would be the same) but I agree with the others - you just can't afford to get involved in that way. Best you can do is direct her to a budgeting service - though I bet she won't thank you for that.

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Well, I had him today and guess what? No nappies still. I told her yesterday that I had no money until tommorow. So today when I picked him up he was still in the same clothes as yesterday, his lips were dry, he looks grey, and NO NAPPIES!
She said "I dont have my eftpos card, so i have to walk all the way to the bank, but I will get you money out today, ok?"
So I am taking care of this boy and he is in my care, I had to go out and buy him some nappies, change his clothes into some of Jacksons and give him food and drink because she had no money.

Do you really think she has no money or do you think I am being taken advantage of?
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I've been hanging out all morning for morning tea so I could write a proper response to this one I get this kind of thing too. Our number is down as a contact number for our Church, and so we get begging calls - you know 'the children are hungry and the DPB isn't due for two days and I can't feed them etc etc'. It puts me in a tough situation. I tend to be a bit of a cynic at heart. I know most of these people are trying it on (and through my super-sneaky methods , have proved this most of the time).

At the same time, I know that there are people with kids who genuinely struggle for food. Sometimes this is because they just don't have the budgeting skills - it's hard for me to comprehend, but some people don't seem to get the fact that if you buy smokes/booze one week, there might not be money for food the next. Sometimes it's because there actually isn't enough money to go round.

Because of my beliefs, I genuinely think I've got a responsibility to help out people who aren't as lucky as we are. But you don't want to teach people they can lie and get given free stuff - that's not good for them. So it's *rock* me *hard place* - do you give things to people who you are sure are trying it on, or do you not, and risk missing the one genuine case in 100?

What we've started doing is donatating to the Salvation Army on a regular basis. It's not my Church, but I know they have real programs set up to help people in need - and provide things like budgeting services. They also screen people so they send the undeserving ones packing. When I get a begging phone call, I just give them the Sallies contact details.

Gosh - that was a long post. Not relevant to your situation, really - but it's how I deal with a similar one!

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Goodness.

I don't know if she has no money, or if you are being taken advantage of, but one thing sounds pretty sure - it's not fair on this poor kid. He's not getting the care he needs and deserves (except from you, which is lovely of you, but not your job). I'm not sure what you should do about that??

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Oh my gosh that poor boy! That is so unfair on him! His clothes must be filthy especially if he hasn't had any nappies How old is he?

This really peeves me off especially as the benefit IS enough to cover these costs. And hey if she had no money for nappies she could have improvised with something, and changed the boys clothes and kept him clean.

Good on you for looking after him - this really is an awful situation!
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Having got my thoughts together a bit more - what kind of care is she giving this child normally? I.e. is this typical (in which case it's really concerning) or not?

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