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Danaj
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Topic: Leaving them to scream Posted: 12 February 2009 at 5:24pm |
Ok, My 8 day old little girl is a screamer. Got her consitpation sorted and have been to the paediatrician to get her checked and all is ok. Doc says she is just at the extreme end of the scale up there with colicy babies. Just great.
So, how long do you let them scream for before getting them back up? She's fine at night, just screams non stop during the day. I can't let this continue cause I can't have another night without sleep.
2 minutes then check then 2 more minutes is what i've been told but this little one needs some tough love. How long is too long?
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 5:37pm |
Why does she need 'tough love' at 8 days old? I know it is stressful for you, at 8 days post birth, but if a baby that age is in pain then the thing they need most is comfort.
I know they don't usually diagnose reflux this early, but does she spill much? Have you tried gripe water? Is she breast or bottle fed?
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 5:39pm |
 I don't have any brilliant advice for you, sorry hun, just didn't want to read and run.
I will say that I totally feel your pain, Callum is "colicky" and has a pretty angry cry to tell me all about it! I get DH to help out as much as possible (including doing his 10pm feed) when he's at home. Some nights he walks in the door and I hand the baby over and say "I'm off to bed" and just leave him to it. If they're crying all the time you NEED to have a break from it when you can or it will drive you nuts!
At the moment we're just trying to get through it. Lots of cuddles with Callum, warm bath every night, definite night time routine and trying really hard to stay calm... easy to SAY that huh.
During the day, if you carry her does it keep her calm? Would you consider wearing her in a sling or carrier? At least that way you can still get some stuff done.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 5:50pm |
She is 8 days old .. I wouldnt leave her to cry at all.
I still dont leave Issy to cry .. although because I have NEVER let her cry, she doesnt tend to unless its bad.
(Although she would cry when left when v little .. I just used to baby wear her and she was completely content)
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 5:51pm |
She's so little I wouldn't leave her to scream at all. I know it's hard, I had a colicky baby too and remember crying in my bed because I felt useless as though it was my fault that she wouldn't settle. In my experience leaving them to scream doesn't do anything except make it worse anyway.
Why not try:
Using a front pack, moby wrap or sling. Make sure whichever method you use she has close contact to you because kangaroo cuddles have been proven to help settle babies.
Learn to lie down to feed and ask DH to keep an eye on you so you can have a wee nap while feeding without worrying about.
Try gripe water, infacol and colic powder.
It does get better I promise but I definitely wouldn't use 'tough love' on her. IMO babies that are left to cry simply learn how to cry louder and longer.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 5:56pm |
I would agree with not "leaving" her to cry. At 8 days old, if she's screaming it's because she needs something (even if it's 'just' cuddles and reassurance) .. crying it out won't work.
Having said that, there are times when I have had to put C down in the middle of a crying session - you still have to go to the loo, get yourself a drink or even just lay the blanket out to wrap the baby! A couple of days ago I put Callum on the floor while I went to get a drink so I could feed him AGAIN (he was overtired and just wouldnt settle for a sleep) .. he fell asleep almost immediately! So I left him there for 45 minutes till he woke up again and just sat there watching him (and wishing he could be that calm and content all the time).
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 6:18pm |
Also in agreement with not leaving her to scream...I personally think 8 days old is just too young to do this. A frontpack or sling sounds like a great place to start like the others have said. Your little girl is still getting used to the fact she's not in your comfy tummy anymore she probably loves the close contact. Are you swaddling her at the moment too? This can also help colicky babies settle..
Let's not forget the weather has been bloody awful and humid lately so maybe that isn't helping either - check the temperature in her room and check she's not over or underdressed.. the temp thing is what caught me out with Alyssa when she was a newborn. I had her room way too hot.
It's so overwhelming being a new mum and things are so hard to cope with when you are sleep deprived. Do you have anyone who can take over for a little while during the day so you can get some sleep?
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 6:21pm |
I'm not a fan of tough love even at the age of my son 23 months. Definitely a big no-no for an 8 day old baby! If she's screaming it's because she clearly wants something, is in pain, wants to be comforted by her mother....the list is endless.
If you've checked her nappy, fed her, burped her etc etc the only thing left is to cuddle/comfort her until she settles. Controlled crying or CIO isn't usually suggested until like 8 months + and even then a lot of people (like myself) don't use it as an option, as it simply doesn't work for some kids.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 6:22pm |
Ohh yes a pouch sling or the sorts, they are fantastic!
Heh I just re-read your post, gosh I didn't know what sleep was until Lucas was 6 months old, and even now at nearly 2 he still wakes 2-3 times of a night ....You get used to it eventually  - I think for a lot of us on here sleep does become a distant memory for those first few months at least - am i right ladies?
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 6:51pm |
I wouldn't let her scream either. A newborn cries because s/he needs its Mummy!
I have to agree with BuzzyBee, a full nights sleep is a distant memory ago and I don't anticipate getting a full nights sleep for a while longer yet!!
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 7:02pm |
I am with everyone else, she is too young to cry it out. Front packs worked a treat for me, I had a baby who wouldn't sleep or settle well during the day. I know its hard, you are exhausted and frustrated. It does get easier, but its hard at first.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 7:26pm |
I'd recommend a front pack or sling too. But 8 days is a bit young for CIO in my opinion.
The maximum I let Rowan cry for now is 5 minutes and that's only if I know that she's fed/warm/clean nappy etc. and is just a bit overtired. I didn't start even doing the 2 mins then check until she was about 8 or 9 months old.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 7:28pm |
It's a big long journey coming into the world for a little baby everything is new and scary she is used to being with you 24/7 slowly ease her out of this. We did controlled crying from 10 weeks and our girl has slept perfectly from 12 weeks, before then write off any night sleep because it aint just gunna happen.
The key is to not let them get too worked up (but this is for much later on it's definately too early to start trying now) we would leave N to grizzle but NEVER let her get into a state other wise it makes things 10 times worse, we put her in bed awake, wrapped, burped and did this day and night. It took 2 weeks of zero sleep day and night going in every 3 minutes and eventually it worked but was very hard... very very hard but in the long run it was good for her because she had gone from hourly waking to 6 hours and we both settled alot better.
Anyway have you got a hammock? I agree with the others keep her on you in a sling, she will want to hear your heartbeat and smell you as much as she can.
Hugs, you will get through this.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 7:30pm |
MrsMojo wrote:
She's so little I wouldn't leave her to scream at all. I know it's hard, I had a colicky baby too and remember crying in my bed because I felt useless as though it was my fault that she wouldn't settle. |
Oh I've been there as well!
At 6 weeks Eimear became like this. Every night she would cry and cry and cry... Then we introduced a dummy. This stopped the crying but I spent many an hour sleeping on the recliner so she could get some sleep.
Turned out it was a wheat & dairy intolerance and once I sorted that she became a happy baby.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 7:34pm |
I had the same thing with our wee girl. I can understand how you feel. We went and bought a hammock to help her sleep. The bouncing helped to calm her down and settle her to sleep. Don't worry about how you get her to sleep just concentrate on getting her to sleep. I found a sking worked well during the day. We let her sleep on us, rocked her to sleep, feed her to sleep anything that would work. If she doesn't get enough sleep it will only get worse. I know what we did was considered not ideal but we are getting there now with her. Just hang in there. It's not easy but you'll get there. Big hugs to you and It does get better. If you want to talk just pm me. I'm always on the computer
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 7:52pm |
One thing you have to remember is that she has been inside you and with you for 9mths, being outside now is a huge shock for her, like someone said she's screaming because she needs you, she needs to know that you are there for her, and by letting her scream like that she is getting mixed messages. In her little mind she is screaming and no one is there for her when she needs them.
I would definitely use a front pack so she can be close to you and feel your heartbeat, remember she has heard this for 9mths, and hearing that will comfort her. Wrap her up really tightly and lay her on a pillow beside you.
Are you wrapping her, have you tried a dummy? Is she hungry?
Good luck, the first couple of weeks are really hard, you are getting to know each other, and sometimes the only way for her to communicate with you is to cry.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 8:11pm |
To be honest it sounds like CIO isnt working for you so stop it and just do what ever doesnt make you go insane to get bub to sleep because otherwise you will end up wiped out and stressed to the max. Newborns are such a shock to the system i think dummies, rocking to sleep, feeding to sleep, letting bub sleep on you and the 5S should be compulsory because bad habits can always be dealt with at a later stage.
The first 6 weeks should be about keeping mums sanity not sticking to strict routines and theories from professors or other mothers who have been published every baby is different in how need to be handled at that age. Try everything and anything but if it isnt working move on to another solution until you find what works for your baby.
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 8:26pm |
I second noisybaby re: the hammock, lil miss suddenly developed a cot aversion at 3 weeks and screamed every time I put her in it but as soon as I got the hammock she slept beautifully. We had her in it till around 3 mths then transitioned to the cot with no major dramas.
I do agree with everyone else about 8 days being a bit young to try the tough love approach. With the gremlins, I was terrified of them developing bad sleep habits and pretty overwhelmed by them and I did leave them to cry for long periods of time in the belief that it would help them settle faster in the long term but all it did was make things more stressful and they are still shocking sleepers at 2 years old, Sienna in particular is terrified of being left alone/abandoned and I wonder if it's related to the early settling stuff. Lil miss has been worn/rocked/put in the hammock, heck she even spent 5 days sleeping in her capsule when all else failed but now we have no problems at all with her sleep/self settling. Experts seem to agree tahat babies don't form sleep associations/habits till around 4 months so anything you do right now such as rocking etc. won't neccessarily become a rod for your back later on, and if there's one thing I've learnt by baby #4 it's that if it works, do it!
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Posted: 12 February 2009 at 8:31pm |
I think everyone has given great advice, just wanted to say hang in there, it will get better I promise!
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Posted: 13 February 2009 at 8:06am |
I second what everyone else has said, but wanted to add - can you get someone to look after her between feeds, so you can have some timeout? (even if it means putting in earplugs, putting your head under the blankets and getting some sleep?)
good luck...as Febgirl said, it really will get better, and going on my experience, you won't even remember the first month!
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