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    Posted: 28 November 2007 at 5:08pm
In the "Who's the boss?" thread, Clare asked:

Originally posted by joshierocks joshierocks wrote:

are those of you in Christian marriages of the belief that the woman should be submissive to their husband in marriage?



As Christians, Nat and I do believe this. However, personally I believe I can be submissive without being a doormat! As a Christian woman, I believe God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman, and that He placed the man in charge - because at the end of the day someone has to make the final call! I choose to defer to Nat's authority as the head of our family out of respect both of Nat and also of God and His teachings in the Bible.
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Marriage absolutely is a partnership but yes I believe a wife should be submissive (for lack of a better word) to her husband, he should be the head of the household. On the flip side though a husband should uphold his wife and treat her with the utmost respect allowing her to to be all she can.

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I'm with them My DH doesn't 'lord over me' but there have been times when we have disagreed and I've stood back and let him make the decision.

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Im too stubborn and pigheaded to allow my dp to make all the decisions

this is kinda offtopic, but becca, i was reading a book called the "red tent" about, Jacob's daughter Dina, (i dont know that you'd like the book itself as her version of events is a bit different to the book)but anyway, one of her descendants is called Kiya! and spelt the same as your girl's, and when i looked it up on a babyname site,under biblical names, it was there....I never realised it was a biblical name, I thought it was quite modern.....I just found that really interesting and thought id share (tho you probably already knew it !)
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This is a really interesting dicussion. I dont come from a christian background although DH is a lazy catholic. I "think" we handle things fairly evenly but then again you know how we joke about letting men think they have won? Maybe he does that to me

I have to admit that whilst I think women are just as capable as men at doing almost anything, society is falling apart due to a lack of distinct roles. And I think men are suffering more as a result to maybe you girls are on the right track. Let them be top dog....as long as they never abuse the position.
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Hey, thanks you guys. I didn't want to upset or offend anyone in the asking of this question, but it is something I've been very curious about. Becca, I completely understand what you say about being 'submissive' in a sense, without being a doormat. I certainly didn't mean to imply that being submissive automatically meant you had no mind of your own or anything like that.
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Wow, what a powerful topic. I think its got to be each couples decision about who plays what role. Personally, I am not 'submissive' to my husband. Then again, we aren't religious so perhaps that is a factor. We do make most decisions together but it is me that has the final say. I run the household and make decisions with regards to our well being.

In times gone past I feel that perhaps the man was more in charge by default because they went to work, earned the money and the wife stayed home, looking after the house and children. It just simply isn't like this for some people these days and it must have some impact. More and more I see women returning to work, some out of need, some out of want.

Our circumstances may be attributed also to money, and how much we are paid. As a woman who earns over double what her husband does, I feel that this has a big impact on who makes the decisions in our house.

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I don't think it has anything to do with money or who earns the most. According to Christian principles, it is the husband who will have to answer to God.

I submit to my husband, but in saying that, he consults me on everything and we always make joint decisions. If we get to the stage where we can make the decision together, I will trust him (as I promised in my vows) and back down.

Everyone to their own....I just don't think it should have anything to do with who earns the most money.
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me neither..although we aren't in a Christian marriage as such... even if i earned more than him I would probably still listen to him more about things..in our case generally he is more logical and practical and always considers my opinion..i don't think I necessarily back down to him but weirdly although i was raised in a military household my Mum was the boss yet I still look to my husband as the 'decision' maker.. :) albeit with my input..
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I don't think it has anything to do with money or who earns the most.


Maybe not in every household but definitely in ours.

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Wow I love this topic. I try very hard to be the submissive wife casue I know that is the order God has put into place. I love and trust my husband and when the big desions' need to be made and we can't agree I go with him cusase as someone said before he is who hs to answer to God.
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And those who know me will laugh at this, but I prefer to be submissive as well... To a point. Like JD siys, my hubby always consults with me first, but all decisions are over to him. Having said that,. though, we do run on happy mum, happy house.
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Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

And those who know me will laugh at this, but I prefer to be submissive as well...


I was just reading through the posts in this one and came to the last one, which really made me think.
ANd i realised OMG yes! Its funny as people who know me know I am a very strong woman who makes her own deisicions about her life and how she lives it.
But what they dont know is that I would not make a desicion of importance without consulting my husband first! he controls the money (really) and our bills. I watch the house and ensure that it is a clean and healthy environment for us all.
Im not a doormat and I am a strong woman, but i must say, I am fairly sumissive to my husband. And it doesnt bother me a bit! :)

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wow how funny. my first thought was no bloody way would i be submissive to my husband. i strongly believe men and women are equal, and should be treated as such. For us its give and take on who makes the final decisions depending on what the issue is. I hate controling men, its a pet peeve of mine. I cant stand the thought people think they are below thier husbands or that they should follow behind like a good little dog. In saying that I do respect that in each relationship things are done differently as in each religion. Im curious though, if it was something you felt really strongly about would you still submit to your husbands wishes and let him make the final decision if it was different to what you wanted?

And sorry I dont mean to offend anyone, these are my opinions only.
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If it was something I felt really strongly about, I would express that in our discussion so DH would know how strongly I felt.   Its hard to answer your question (my2angels) because it would depend on the circumstance. Generally if you are submitting to your husband, you do it as a principle in your marriage, not based on how strongly you felt about something. In saying that, don't assume that DH's never change their minds. We are both equals and if I felt so strongly about something, I think DH would probably back me up!
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I agree with JD. Being submissive does not mean, for me, that I follow like a lapdog and give in to his every whim! lol i could imagine how funny that would be if i did.
We have disucssions about EVERYTHING! and i seriously, i mean we communicate about all of our hopes dreams, what we are scared of, what we hate. We are eachothers sounding boards for everything.
I suppose Im not truly submissive to my husband as we do not bow down to eachother, and i most certainly do not bow down to him!
But we communicate, we discuss, I have my areas to look after whereas he has his..

Thats just us tho...
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I don't actually like the word submissive as it does imply the doormat sort of idea where a woman has no say...which is not what it is about....

As JD said....the husband has to answer to God and if he has abused his position as head of the household then he could have a LOT to answer for. That is why he has to have respect for his wife and take into account her wants,needs and skills and abilities and desires as well.

I hope that makes sense.

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I didn't want to get too into this conversation But i thought we all had to answer to god not just the 'husband'?
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can i ask a question? and in no way is it meant to offend anyone, but what does it mean when you guys say the man answers to God? does that mean when they die or all the time?
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Yes we do all answer to God in the end (or on the day of judegement if you really want to get into the nitty gritty - when we will be held accountable for our lives)...if a husband has not treated his wife as he should then he will be accountable for that.

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