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    Posted: 01 February 2008 at 7:37am
There is a bit of an issue with biting at Charlotte's daycare at the moment, 3 different kids are really into biting the other children and Charlotte has come home 4 times in the last 2 weeks with HUGE bite marks, full sets of teeth. This has happened every day for the last 3 days in a row, yesterday's one being particularly nasty on the top of her hand.

The centre is offering to get a counsellor to talk to the parents of the biters but there are 3 different ones, its not as though its the same child.

My thoughts is that there isn't enough trained staff available to act on the biting as soon as it happens. However, they dispute that.

I spoke to my Mum who was mortified at it all and I tend to agree with her that its just not on.

Anyone got any thoughts about what they could possibly do to stop whats going on? I am not one of these parents who is going to get all up in arms about it and threaten to remove my child and all that, but I am sure there is something we can do to help them deal with this - I want my baby to come home bite free!!!!

Also, its not just Charlotte being bitten - so its not as though they are targeting her (and at under 2, I would not expect targeting behaviour anyway!)

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Ohhh I have lots of thoughts on this.

Nyah was the victim of a serial biter. He bit her on the arm and on the cheek.

I became the irrational mother unfortunately and demanded that he be suspended from daycare until they could sort the problem out. I took photos and emailed them to the owners and demanded action.

Their solution? They moved MY daughter out of the baby/toddler section and moved her to the pre school, 6mths early. I wanted to move her permanently out of the centre but there was no spaces available anywhere in our area.

I never received an apology from the parents or the centre for the distress caused.

Don't take this sitting down, demand action. They need to have a conference with the offenders parents and work together for a solution.
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I wouldnt be taking it sitting down either. I would get onto it at the daycare and say this is not on etc and you want action against the kids in question and not your daughter.

Mel I wouldnt have been happy with that. How dare they move your daughter when she wasnt doing anything. I dont call that irRATIONAL mEL i CALL that protecting your young.


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Originally posted by GeorgiaB GeorgiaB wrote:

I am not one of these parents who is going to get all up in arms about it and threaten to remove my child and all that, but I am sure there is something we can do to help them deal with this - I want my baby to come home bite free!!!!


Haha I'm a 'up in arms' Mum Once I could forgive but when its happening constantly I think you really need to take some action. Maybe book a time to meet with the 'boss' and sit down with her so you know what actions are in place to combat it and they know that you are seriously concerned.

When my Charlotte was being picked on in her class I had a meeting with the head teacher and after that it dropped dramatically. I think sometimes if you're the 'up in arms' Mum then they keep and extra eye on your kid so they don't have to put up with Mum coming in moaning every other day!
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The centre director is calling me tonight at home. DH takes her in each day and picks her up and while he has been dealing with it, I need to feel a bit more in control of the situation.

I don't want to get up in arms because I believe there is a resolution to the situation and I would like to help them reach it. The carers are actually feeling terrible because of it, its actually not their fault that the kids are biting but I do feel they need to keep a very close eye on it.

Hopefully when Diana rings tonight we can sort something out. There is talk of moving Charlotte up the next group, which would be fine with me because I feel she is past the nursery stage anyway. I do wonder if the kids are getting bored!

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My DD was bitten a while back at creche (on her first day!) and the carers talked to me about it and filled in the incident report etc. They clearly explained that the kid who bit her had been doing it to other kids and their procedure was to follow him very closely and prevent it from happening, and when it did happen to first deal with the hurt kid (cuddles etc.) and then try to deal with him. It stopped soon after. It sounds very unfortunate that there are three biters at Charlotte's day care, that must make it hard for them to shadow the culprits. I think you are probably right, that because this is happening often and there are three of them, more staff need to be dedicated to solving the problem - they have an obligation to minimise these things and protect all the children in their care.

When DD was bitten, I had some interesting feedback on this board I think...a few people whose kids were the biters gave some useful insights. The parents of these kids are probably really embarrassed and trying their best too, so I agree with you that getting up in arms probably won't help in the long run (and you never know, you might be on the other side of this one day for a little while). I think you've got the right approach, asking for more supervision and expressing your dissatisfaction at the level of care so far. You need to protect your daughter first and foremost! Good luck with the phone call tonight.
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My daughter was being bitten by the same girl, almost every day. Apparently the parents were spoken to about it but it kept happening.
I remember walking past in the morning and seeing the parent of the child SCREAMING at her and smacking her. I was dying to approach them myself but after seeing the way they were treating her outside of the creche i decided to remove her from the centre altogether (there were other issues at the creche as well)

my advice is speak with staff, and ask that this matter be sorted asap!
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My Mercedes is a biter and I am yet to figure out an effective way of dealing with it, so I hope your daycare can come up with something Georgia, and if they do, please share! Sienna is sick of being the chew toy!
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Andrew was often biten at daycare and one day I pretty much lost the plot when I was given yet another incident report. I told them to get hard on the biter there has to be some reason for it.

I ended up speaking to the owner and she arranged a meeting with some professional (can't remember who it was now) and the parents of the biters and once that happened the bitting stopped.

I do know that at a young age it is a way of communication, but it is still so frustrating.

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I'll read this later but I have to say as the parent of a biter that it is REALLY hard to deal with and it is super unfortunate that there are 3 biters at once.

I also get really upset about the 'up in arms' parents as most of the time there is NOTHING (well, nothing more) that the parent of the child can do! (and it just creates extra guilt and distress when there is already a lot of that) While it isn't acceptable that the child is biting, usually it is caused by something else such as the lack of ability to communicate etc - which is what I was working on with Hannah but generally it just takes time.

Anyway, will be back to comment later! (or tomorrow)

Just had to add in the meantime

I do think it is the centre's responsibility to take you through what they are doing to prevent the biting etc and to make an extra effort to deal with it - shadowing risky children to find out the cause of the biting and then to deal with that.

Right. Enough! I've got to do some work! hehe

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hi guys
Im a preschool teacher and very commonly around the age of 2 we used to get biters. It usually starts with one and then sometimes you can get copy cat biters. The main reason babies bite is lack of language and therefore frustration. So we used to try really hard to teach the children the words they needed to communicate rather than using the quick fix (bite) We used to use a catch phrase of "STOP I DONT LIKE IT" in a big voice, at mat times and things we would talk it through with the kids, use puppets etc to act out situations to teach them what to do rather than bite, ie use words or get a teacher. I fully agree with the parents on here whose children bite, all you can do is arm them with the right words to deal with conflict. Shadowing the biters is also good so if you see a situation brewing you can get there before its too late. I hope the centre is supportive and will put some action plans into place, if the staff are consistent it should resolve itself quickly
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I think Mercedes bites to be cheeky, or to get attention coz she will randomly walk up to Sienna and just bite her out of the blue. When I tell her off she doesn't seem to understand that she is doing something wrong coz she just giggles. Mind you, biting is not her only aggressive behaviour, she also hits, pushes and scratches and I suspect some of it is a twin thing, because they are together constantly these behaviours that usually show up in 2 year olds are coming up earlier.
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Ayja used to be a biter too, just kinda nippy like a little puppy when she got silly or annoyed, and yep it's super super annoying. especially since paris has been on the receiving end of a serial biter at her daycare that everyone else i had talked to had their child biten by that kid at least once too.   

As others have said, lack of communication is usually the reason, or they just get a bit silly. either way, like another said, knowing which ones are the biters and trying to just get there a bit quicker when they see conflict situations and trying to teach them other ways to communicate is a good idea. But yep, it's terribly hard to break kids out of it, especially the ones that bite hard, we've had teeth marks in strange places, paris started doing it back to her little sister when her sister did it to her, so for a while there both kids had teeth marks sometimes, i must say paris bit harder with more teeth too.    Another thing is, alot of serial biters do it very quickly and learn the best ways to get full effect, nasty little creatures. Unfortunately it's one of the things that comes with the territory, but every day is a bit over the top, they should sit down with the parents of the children and make an action plan together as to how each party is approaching to help make sure they are all working towards the same goal.
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Jake was a biter too, but daycare were fabulous about it. i have no idea what they did, but it ceased pretty much after it started.

taine on the other hand was biting Jake in his sleep - taine must have got bored and Jake obviously wasn't responding, so it got nasty bites for his trouble.
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I agree with Nikki, it is eally hard for the biters parents and they are probably so embarassed too. At the age she is getting the parents onto it might not even do anything because the kids might only be biter at daycare. I'd make sure the daycare centre is working hard on it as its a pretty common problem and they should know how to deal with it.

Jack started biting around the time Caprece was born and the only thing that stopped him was putting him straight into time out away from everyone without saying a word and then going over to the bitten or nearly bitten kid. Also heaps of one on one time with the biter.
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Originally posted by mum2paris mum2paris wrote:

alot of serial biters do it very quickly and learn the best ways to get full effect, nasty little creatures.


Aw Janine! I think that's a bit rough. The 'serial biters' (who do it for fun and effect) are very very very few and far between and I put that in the same realm as hitting and scratching (which almost EVERY kid does!) - it's not really helpful for most biters to be called 'nasty little creatures' as I said before, it's a communication issue.

Again, this doesn't excuse it, but the times I have see Hannah bite at creche (though she hasn't bitten anyone for about a year - pretty much as soon as she started to talk) have been when another kid has come along to take a toy off her, or is preventing her from getting through a door etc. Ya get me? So most biting isn't 'out of the blue' - so while it might take a bit more effort on the teachers part, being there to diffuse conflict situations and provide alternative means of communication is really important.
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lol Nikki i didn't mean it in an offensive way at all, I just know from Ayja, that she very quickly learnt what part to go for or what was going to get the best effect.. lol definately not meant in a mean way, just in a kinda funny way. But yeah definately is the communication thing, although there are some kids that do just bite out of absolutely nowhere as I've seen, and they tend to be the ones that are really hard to help as there isn't a clear reason or something that sets them off..
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