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lilfatty
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 1:30pm |
Puts hands up!
I went back to work when Issy was 4.5 months and even though I my job .. I her more and missed her terribly.
But I wanted her to have what I had ... a parent at home (and DH is fab with her), so at least my situation isnt as bad as those who have to leave their precious bundle with someone other than the other parent!
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 1:52pm |
nikkiwhyte wrote:
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in todays climate its not that hard to find flexible working hours. |
Ahhh see here's where I beg to differ.
I believe it is REALLY hard to find flexible working hours.
I consider my job really flexible but I still struggle at times. I doubt if I was a single mum with a limited education that a fast food chain/super market/large company would be quite so generous. After all, business is business and if a parent has to leave early, take extra sick days, potentially turn up to work more tired than a non-parent, they are effectively costing a company money. Now I'm not saying all employers think that way but definitely some.
ETA and as a single mum I have very limited babysitting options. |
I agree Nikki, and I think this is one of my main concerns with the policy. Even if at the moment employers are flexible....when there is suddenly a lot more people being forced back into the workplace, employers are going to be able to be a lot pickier and a lot less flexible. I suspect this will end up forcing single mums into low paying, low skilled jobs that arent flexible about childcare arrangements - which has all sorts of flow-on effects. I know a single mother who is on the DPB with 3 children under 7, she has 2 degrees, but struggles to find a job that allows her to care for her kids the way that she needs to (drop off & pick up kindy / school etc). She has no family in auckland to support her, so she has very few choices. She could work part time at a supermarket / retail etc, but she woudlnt earn enough to make the logistics of that work for them.
I also worry that children are going to end up being left at home, with neighbours, and in potentially unsafe situations, as mums struggle to get home from these so called "flexible" jobs!
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 2:01pm |
SimSam wrote:
nikkiwhyte wrote:
lilfatty wrote:
in todays climate its not that hard to find flexible working hours. |
Ahhh see here's where I beg to differ.
I believe it is REALLY hard to find flexible working hours.
I consider my job really flexible but I still struggle at times. I doubt if I was a single mum with a limited education that a fast food chain/super market/large company would be quite so generous. After all, business is business and if a parent has to leave early, take extra sick days, potentially turn up to work more tired than a non-parent, they are effectively costing a company money. Now I'm not saying all employers think that way but definitely some.
ETA and as a single mum I have very limited babysitting options. |
I agree Nikki, and I think this is one of my main concerns with the policy. Even if at the moment employers are flexible....when there is suddenly a lot more people being forced back into the workplace, employers are going to be able to be a lot pickier and a lot less flexible. I suspect this will end up forcing single mums into low paying, low skilled jobs that arent flexible about childcare arrangements - which has all sorts of flow-on effects. I know a single mother who is on the DPB with 3 children under 7, she has 2 degrees, but struggles to find a job that allows her to care for her kids the way that she needs to (drop off & pick up kindy / school etc). She has no family in auckland to support her, so she has very few choices. She could work part time at a supermarket / retail etc, but she woudlnt earn enough to make the logistics of that work for them.
I also worry that children are going to end up being left at home, with neighbours, and in potentially unsafe situations, as mums struggle to get home from these so called "flexible" jobs!
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agree i relly dont think it has been looked at properly even when i am studying i will have to cover the cost of travle and food for my self and james puls travle to and from his appionements for speech ect ect and these soo called jobs we are all spose to be getting were are they
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lilfatty
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 2:04pm |
I can see how with a glut of new workers employers could be more choosy in their requirements (and Im not sure where these jobs are going to come from) - however it does include training for the 15 hours and I would say a fair few women on the DPB could do with some upskilling after being out of the workforce for so long.
Oh and SimSam ... its always harder for those who are deemed "overqualified" to get back into the workforce ... everytime we advertise our office admin position we get applications from women with degree upon degree .. however I dont take them as I feel they will get bored and move on too quickly (and I would be too embarrassed to pay them a junior wage).
However ... we offer a very flexible working environment so having someone requiring different hours to fit their lifestyle would not be a problem (for us anyway).
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 6:48pm |
I was the same lilfatty - when I used to hire people I was always thinking "are they going to get bored or think this job is beneath them"...
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 7:37pm |
Not every single mother is eligible for DPB.
My SIL is a solo mum, since my brother left her, she has to juggle child care, school holidays, illness everything she has a lot of help from friends and family, but she's on her own.
She's a midwife so while she might get ok money, but then she has herself and two school aged girls to support, they're not cheap, her hours aren't always accommodating of children.
that is only one example, and there are many more.
I think those of you receiving DPB are previlaged and I hope you get yourselves educated and get off of it, and make a difference. Not everyone is so lucky.
I've also met a number of mothers that have been happy to stay on the benefit until their kids get to 16, and its these women the policy is aimed at.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 8:30pm |
I do like the policy. You don't have to do "nothing" until your child is six, but it gives you plenty of time to sort out any difficulties especially if your child has health issues in the early years. I think 15 hours is not much and shouldn't be too difficult to do, especially while that person's child is at school. Not sure how school holidays would work and maybe there ought to be a greater allowance of time off over Christmas? Maybe? It seems the policy has some thinking through.
But I don't think anyone is saying that a solo mother (who usually is solo not out of her own choice) with a child under the age of 6 is having a 'free ride'. It's after the child is settled in school that is being talked about. They are also old enough to leave with friends and I'm sure babysitting swaps over holidays etc could be arranged between other solo (or otherwise) friends.
But from what I know about student allowance (been on it with two kids) and UB (ditto) and DPB, they all are due a rise because of inflation. They should be, IMO, reviewed on an annual basis perhaps as a % of the average wage. They can't be too high or no one would work but I think they are too low for today's climate.
I also agree with the comment that student loans should be made available to those on the DPB (well I think they already are, but no need for free course fees) because they won't be required to pay them off until they earn enough anyhow. If a family on one wage can do it, anyone can.
How can solo parents not be eligible for the DPB??
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 8:40pm |
If you are already working, and your partner leaves you or you leave them.
You can't quit your job and automatically stay home and get the DPB.
That's where a lot of friends and family I know have ended up being working solo mums.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 8:48pm |
eeek But what if prior to the separation the father had been the SAHD??
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 9:15pm |
Then yes tehy probably would be if they had to stay at home, but they look at daycare so they can stay off it.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 9:18pm |
Then I think he would be eligable for the DPB .. but you would not be (as you would voluntarily leave the workforce)....well you would be after a stand down period but YKWIM
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 9:19pm |
If you're in a relationship and that relationship breaks down and you have to give up work to care for the children as a result of that then you do qualify for the DPB. The catch is that there is a stand down of up to 13 weeks based on your income in the previous 26 weeks, altho in some circumstances that can be waived.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 9:31pm |
As always Maya articulates so much better than I do
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Posted: 14 August 2008 at 12:56pm |
I disagree with everyone. What the problem is in NZ is that mothering is not an accepted job. Every woman who has a baby is going to miss out on money (that she could of had if she never had the baby) at some point. Yet the survival of our race is dependant on women having babies. Why isn't there more support for ALL mothers. Mothering is a full time job so why can't any woman get to stay home as long as she likes and still get credit for it. Mothers won't be able to make any contribution to kiwisaver, they miss out on job opportunities when off having babies etc. There should be a universal payment for mothers. It doesn't need to be huge but just enough to recognise that mothering is a job, probably the most important job there is.
Single mothers should be getting more than they do or at the least the father should be made to pay a bit more. Does anyone else think its ridiculous middle age men who spend there day sitting on their asses are saying single mums are lazy who need to get a job. It would be great if how hard someone worked was based on how much time they spent working rather than how much money they earned.
It does make me a bit cross that because I'm in a relationship I'm not entitled to any financial help with studying. I'm glad the single Mums are getting more help but wish everyone on a low income was.
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Posted: 14 August 2008 at 4:19pm |
i,m sorry but i do not just sit on my ass and do nothing that was very rude for you to think just because i am a solo mother that all i do is sit on my butt and do nothing how very very very rude and how good do we all think we are were if you were in this sution you may not be soo very judging some people need help not all of us plan on staying on the dpb some plan to have better lifes but sometime life will thrw us a cruve ball and our plans are putt of for a year or two so how dear you all sit in jugdement of us who died and made you all boss
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Posted: 14 August 2008 at 6:07pm |
Um, James - she didn't say that, try reading the sentence again!
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Posted: 14 August 2008 at 6:33pm |
RachandJack wrote:
I disagree with everyone. What the problem is in NZ is that mothering is not an accepted job. Every woman who has a baby is going to miss out on money (that she could of had if she never had the baby) at some point. Yet the survival of our race is dependant on women having babies. Why isn't there more support for ALL mothers. Mothering is a full time job so why can't any woman get to stay home as long as she likes and still get credit for it. Mothers won't be able to make any contribution to kiwisaver, they miss out on job opportunities when off having babies etc. There should be a universal payment for mothers. It doesn't need to be huge but just enough to recognise that mothering is a job, probably the most important job there is.
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Well said!!! Its silly aye, even after being at home for 7 years now raising children, I still feel guilty in some ways that I am not contributing financially to our household I am fortunate that DH earns a good wage, and I feel its a priviledge for me to stay at home as lots of mums I know dont have that option. I also wonder what my options will be when all my babies are at school, I have no idea what I will do next?!?
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Posted: 14 August 2008 at 8:04pm |
lilfatty wrote:
As always Maya articulates so much better than I do |
*giggles* That's what I get paid for...
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Posted: 14 August 2008 at 9:32pm |
I agree with Rach too, well put
I often get really disheartened as my DH struggles to recognise that this is a job. He always says 'but you chose it'. What he fails to realise is that he chose to spread his seed and impregnate me and therefore has to pay the bills!
I really wish men (and lets face it, its men) would recognise what we do, working or not, but I doubt it will ever happen. It used to be a woman's job or right to stay at home and look after the kids but now its like 'hurry up, get back to work'. Anyway, I'm just throwing a pity party cos after the next baby's born I'm back to work full time and while I want to, I don't want to at the same time
Anyway, OK this has NOTHING to do with the DPB thing lol so sorry
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Posted: 14 August 2008 at 9:47pm |
I was on the DPB but i didn't like being on it , mainly because people (eg my grandmother ) gave me a hard time .So i went back to work before i wanted to , sucked, but hey , whats the point in regretting things you cant change ?
I have been working full time for 4 years (4 borinnnng years, can ya tell im over my job ?)
and now im engaged so i obviously wont qualify for the DPB when i get pregnant and go on ML , DF wants me to stay at home and look after the baby (and probably iron his shirts but HA ! he shall be so lucky !) we can afford this , just, will be a bit tight for a while , no buying xboxes or anything , but im used to living in not so great financial situations, as long as C and the new baby are fed and clothed the rest shall be ok .
I always look at the big picture, right now im thinking "well the situation isnt ideal ,but we could be living in Somalia undergoing unlocalised circumsision of our genitals where they cut the cervix out and sew it back "
see? doesn't even make sense but does make me feel happier (if not a little grossed out )
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