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    Posted: 28 October 2008 at 9:10pm
I didn't want to hijack another thread, so I'm starting a new one.

On this thread, Jo said:

Originally posted by MrsMojo MrsMojo wrote:


You've said you get $146 per week from WFF so (and I don't mean this to sound rude but) going by this it sounds like he doesn't earn very much - maybe somewhere around $40k (just guessing). I'd be stressing out too if I were him.




Now I'm worried! How much do you need to have a baby?? Is $40K not enough? Please tell me it's just that everything's so expensive in Welly, and that that kinda income would be fine somewhere cheap like Hamilton
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There is no such thing as not enough.   A baby can cost a little or as much as you like. It is a matter of deciding very early on in the peice about returning to work, budgets, second hand or new etc. You don't need most of the stuff they sell out there, all baby needs is a warm bed and you! (and clothes and nappies)
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Well said fattarts

Plus, as a general rule, people always spend as much as they have. Not matter what your income, most people still feel they want/need more.

If you are used to living within a certain income bracket, you are likely to continue to manage when you have a child. It is all relative to what you are used to.
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And there are ways you can cut costs - cloth nappies, breastfeeding etc.

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Mothers on the DPB living in Auckland get far less than that (somewhere around $24-$25K ...maybe less) to live on per year and we manage to cope - $40K should be fine, it's all about learning to live within your means
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My partner earns around $400 a week after tax plus about $200 from good old Helen (I think) and we do fine. We always have food, the kids wear clean clothes and we are warm. I don't understand how 40k isn't enough we would be living like kings with that sort of money.
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Originally posted by RachandJack RachandJack wrote:

My partner earns around $400 a week after tax plus about $200 from good old Helen (I think) and we do fine. We always have food, the kids wear clean clothes and we are warm. I don't understand how 40k isn't enough we would be living like kings with that sort of money.

 

Same here. Infact we earn even less than that. Im pretty Sure DH's boss is dodge and doesnt even have him on minimum wage  We get a bit of help from IRD (which we'd proabably be in a bit of trouble without)

We have learnt to make what we have work for us. Money is never really a big issue for us. We are all able to dress pretty nicelt ( Ithink) We have dinners out, and theres nothing we really need that we dont have. Our budget is pretty tight but we do this so we are able to save for the luxury item we really want.

 

In saying all that, we do live in a pretty unusual situation an are able to save on power and tv/internet etc (living in a tiny flat out the back of my parents) But I think we would still cope just fine living in our own place. At the moment the kids arent too expensive, although I'm sure that will change as they get older. Theres always ways to make it work.



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Someone on 40k would be getting WFF help.
DH is on 55k and that's enough to pay the mortgage without me having to go back to work.
Means living pretty frugal, but then that's the trade off between working and having luxuries.

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Originally posted by FionaS FionaS wrote:

Plus, as a general rule, people always spend as much as they have. Not matter what your income, most people still feel they want/need more.


yep, i am a firm believer of that...

and agree with fats too!

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Yup thats true, which is probably why it get tough when you go down to one income, and gain an extra person to care for.

Actually people mostly spend more than they have!

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We thought we couldn't live on one income, as we struggled to live on 2 incomes but once living on less money found that we could. Now we wonder what the hell we use to spend all our money on

I suppose how much income you can live on depends on your circumstances before starting a family. i.e how much debt you are in, whether you have a big mortgage, a little mortgage or big or small rent etc. and the biggest thing is probably what are you willing to sacrifice to stay at home? DH is on a good wage but we have a fairly big mortgage so to stay in our house and me not work we are living on a strict budget and things like holidays just won't be happening until I return to work in a year or 2, but it was a compromise that we were willing to make.

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We manage to live on around 30k per year (DH's income) as well as $$ from WFF, and have nothing lacking (we have a car, warm and dressed, enough food, enough for entertainment occasionally as a treat, etc). In saying that, we wouldn't be able to afford a mortgage (we rent a small place), and in the winter, it's a struggle with the power bills (It's hard to heat our place in Dunedin enough for a baby). Not to mention that we get given a lot of hand-me-down clothes, and basically all of our baby stuff was given to us. And we have a pretty extensive vegie garden which helps.

Sometimes it is a little tougher than other times, but we make ends meet. You just have to know what you "need" and what you don't. Of course I can't afford new clothes all the time, and all that stuff... but we still have everything we need, and plenty we don't need.
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My Dh earns bucket loads and we spend it    We've been over here for 2 1/2 years and we have only just started saving in the last few months We had no debt to begin with either. So yeah- we're living proof that you totally spend what you earn!
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we are the same. DH earns quite a bit, he has had 22k in pay rises over 6 months and i still feel like we are cutting it fine sometimes. in saying that our mortgage is $700 a week and we let people stay here for free all the time, long termish (6 months to a year) so i suppose that sucks up quite a bit of money. we are putting $50 a week aside, and everythiing baby related comes from that clothes, toys furniture, school fees etc... so that when he moves into a bed we dont have to find $200 out of nowhere etc... my sister worked out how much she spends on her 2 kids and this amount covers it (her oldest is 7 now) mite be different when they are teenagers and want labels and eat you out of house and home but if you put a little away each week it makes things much more acheivable when you dont have much


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We live off 40k
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We couldnt live on 40K but we have a big mortgage and really dont want to have to sell that.  If we did we'd be able to survive on much less.  So at the moment things are tight (thankfully DH is earning more than 40K....but nowhere near as much as we were earning when I was working too)
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Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

I suppose how much income you can live on depends on your circumstances before starting a family. i.e how much debt you are in, whether you have a big mortgage, a little mortgage or big or small rent etc.


DH and I were talking about this last night, and we thought of that too. I mean, there's a big difference between a $250 a week mortgage and a $500 a week mortgage - to cover the $500-a-week you'd need to earn an extra $13,000 each year (after tax!).

That made me feel better - at least our mortgage is pretty small. We don't know what we'll be earning when (if!) we have a baby, but it is likely to be less than I earn now. I'm sure we can do it... but have the odd moment of panic!
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Well we are proof that you can live off under 30K, we can still pay our mortgage and still have food and stuff for us all. It is all about shopping around for the best deals when it comes to food, etc.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Babies don't cost much. I put away $40 a fornight from DH's pay to get everything Daniel needs (clothes, swimming lessons, toys etc) and it doesn't even need to be that much.

I think the best thing to do is make a spreadsheet of all your bills and how much you spend on food and add that up, then you have a better idea of how much money you actually need.
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Oh gosh, how embarrassing - although the post was taken out of context (the person I was responding to had previously said she uses the dryer regularly and has 2 mobile phones and wants to keep both as she uses both etc I should have really clarified the statement though plus looking at the WFF payment table her partners income is actually somewhere between $0-$36k).

There are families who cope beautifully on a lot less than $40k and families who struggle on a lot more so I guess the key is to learn to live within your means.

Why not try living on one income for a couple of months and see how you go? If you do this before baby is here you can identify where cuts can be made before baby comes.  Put your income into a inaccessible savings account and just live off your DH's income and see how you go.  (ETA: You can use the money you save during this time to buy some super cute MCNs which'll save you even more cash in the long run).

I know when we had Michaela we didn't think we could live on just DHs income and so I went back to work.  In hindsight I'm sure there are ways we could have done it to allow me more time at home, or at least to go back at reduced hours.  This time we will live on just his income (granted he earns a bit more now) and I am confident that we will be fine.



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