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Posted: 22 September 2010 at 10:15pm |
DH works from home so I can't be of much help answering your question, but I would be surprised if following the CLB left your DH with less time than he would have following a less-structured approach ...
DH loved that 10.30 feed, but I don't know whether he made eye contact or not? (I was too busy sleeping!) We did follow the CLB routines pretty loosely, but I think that is probably the key to making them work, as every baby is different. ie. we had a refluxy baby she had different demands as far as feeding went, as she'd only take small amounts at a time.
As long as you let your DH be as involved as he can be, when he is around, like on the weekends (as Kiwikid says), then there shouldn't be any bonding issues, I wouldn't think...from what I've seen the problems arise when the mum wants to continue doing everything even when the dad's around, but to even be asking this question you'll obviously take the right approach!
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 8:38am |
Hi
Don't want to get into a debate but I read all the books (CLB and Baby Whisperer mostly) and as others have said took bits from all of them using a baby led approach.
I do know people who have used CB and ike it - but even they say they wouldn't recommend trying it from Day 1, esp if you're BFing. It's just too stressful.
The best time to start a structured routine is from about 3 months. Until then I would concentrate on just doing things in a particular order so that your baby knows what's coming next if you are planning to implement a routine later (eg we did sleep, eat, change, play, sleep etc etc).
As for time with DH - I doubt it makes any difference what approach you take. If you are BFing then you will spend most of the time feeding and baby will be sleeping most of the rest of the time. What we did is to designate DH some time to "take over" which was the bath/bed routine. I would feed Toby then DH would take him for his bath while I got dinner sorted or just put my feet up for a minute. Then he would get T ready for bed and read a story before settling him to sleep. Sometimes he didn't make it home from work in time but he always made an effort as he really valued that time.
Good luck!
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 11:15am |
Interesting debate. I think you have to do what works for you. Some people swear by this method and no doubt its a good fit for some babies. I have read CLB, I still get it out for the odd laugh with my girlfriends from time to time.
I'm a routine kinda girl I'm prehaps a little less "child centric" as someone put it than others on this forum. I beleive part of a parents role is to guide their infants towards learning how to sleep, eat etc.
That said I do think that there is real value in learning your newborn's cues and working around then, so you both take bits from each other. I suffered from terriable anxiety and PND, and thinking I wasn't doing things by the book was in hindsight a huge contributor.
I had a premmie baby and I would caution anyone who has a prem to think carefully about CLB. These babies need more feeding than others and they don't last long awake. GF has newborns up for two hours for nearly all babies that is too long and they will be overtired. My girl lasted 45 mins max untill about 6 weeks. Even Mums who follow CLB don't have the awake time that GF uses.
Secondly nearly all new babies clusterfeed and are wakey in the evenings and CLB doesn't allow for that.
Thirdly not all babies will take a bottle, my DD hates the texture of rubber and will even now only chew on a teat. I couldn't have got an expressed bottle in her if I'd tried.
Fourthly GF doesn't tell you what to do if your baby doesn't sleep for the times set down in her book or what to do if they don't settle.
Overtime with good guidence, preservence and good understanding of your baby's personality, enery levels, tired signs etc you will get them into a routine. I still use some books (not CLB, but others) to get a rough idea of sleep times etc and them use that to try and find something that works for DD.
Good luck and I commend you for thinking about you will tackle your baby's day well before they arrive. Make the most of it, they grow up so fast!
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 12:36pm |
Melissa we read the CLB book, baby whisperer and several others. Even after reading I had no real set ideas about which approach I wanted to take. As a strict career woman before hand, I was anticipating that not having a routine was going to be hard for me as well as baby (as FTR said) . But I was wrong - maybe because I was aware beforehand that a nonroutine lifestyle may upset me, but either way I coped. As it turns out, we "winged it" Fed bubs when she asked for it during the day, she cluster fed ALWAYS at night between 5 and 8 and didn't go down at 7 till she was about 3 months old. The ONLY routine things we eventually decided to keep was that sleeps during the day were in the light under the window, noise was normal to loud in the house. I fed when she asked not on a time schedule. And at night, it was always bath feed sleep and always in the dark. Night feeds were not without eye contact but always in her bedroom with the light off and mostly she wouldn't wake any ways. In the end, this became her routine and ours and it suited me just fine. She slept through the night from about 12 weeks onwards which also suited us!! I don't know if this helps at all, but certainly we took bits of every book - I struggled with concept of sticking entirely to one theory.
DH is a dairy farmer and thus is up before 6 and often not home till after 6. BUT there was still plenty of time for bonding. I did express so that he could feed at night if required, but what actually happened was that DH was the absolute best and pro at settling during the "witching" hours - far better than me and thus this became their bonding time.
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 1:20pm |
I read so many baby books, including CLB, the baby whisperer, oh baby, to name a few. I thought I had it sussed.
HOWEVER, babies just don't work like that!! I would do this and that and then the other things the book would say and then my son would not do what was meant to come next. He hadn't read the book, he didn't know he was meant to sleep.
I would recommend what I call the desert island approach - if you were stuck on a desert island with just you and your baby and no books what would you do in a certain situation? Basically if your baby is hungry you would feed it, if he/she was tired, you'd give them a sleep, if they cried, you cuddle them. The only baby book I would now recommend to any parent is The Attachment Parenting book.
But in answer to your original question, I would just get DH to do what he could during the week, and not worry to much about the eye to eye contact, and then in the weekend get him to take a much more active role - and give you a break too!
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 1:57pm |
oh i just remembered that in our house even though i did all the night feeds my husband was the one who would get up and bring me the baby and make sure i had what i needed then he would go back to sleep... and i second what someone else said about dads being great at burping.
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 3:22pm |
I.............am far too lazy to read any of these books.
That is all
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 7:56pm |
I loved using the CLB routines and worked brilliantly with my first. But with my second it just didn't!
I came home from hospital with DD1 with the plan to demand feed and just couldn't cope with no structure so started the routines from six days old and she slotted in not a problem. In saying that I didn't let it stress me if it didn't work out exactly. I just made sure to always start the day at 7am and go from there.
My husband worked from home at that stage so saw lots of her. But For you, I don't think it will make much difference to his time with baby whatever routine or not you choose. Good luck!
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 8:00pm |
Oh and wanted to add, if he is happy to do the 10.30pm night feed with expressed milk, that is really good bonding time (and rest for you). Even if it's just on weekend nights that he does it, plus any weekend time he spends with baby will add up :)
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 8:20pm |
Millymollymandy *like* 
Hila *like* 
Kelly *LMAO* 
Meh, I didn't like Gina Ford. Or any other 'baby trainers'. Babies aren't dogs.
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 8:58pm |
A friend of mine recommended CLB and another friend had a copy and gave it to me so I had a good read and thought I'd probably give it a go but ended up having a really sleepy newborn who then turned into a cat napper so every couple of weeks I had another look to see if the routine was likely to suit us but it never really did.
Anyway, that doesn't really answer your question but my DH got up and did all the nappy changes for the first month, and the idea to bring the baby to you is a good one (though he was right next to me so no point for us).
I'd say even if he's not looking into your baby's eyes it will still be a nice snuggle bonding time. Probably similar to a dreamfeed. Half the time both DS and I had our eyes shut during night feeds anyway. But maybe that could be your modification to the routine that your DH is allowed to look into his eyes but just not be all chatty and pulling faces etc... might be an idea?
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 9:03pm |
Just to clarify (in case I'm wrong).....Gina Ford doesn't actually have kids of her own aye?
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 9:22pm |
I got this book, read it, tried it, not a chance, DD frequently wakes at 6am for the day, she only stays up for about and hour then only sleeps 45mins (wind wakes her), so there is no way she would fit this.
Emmecat- Yup she has no kids, kinda pointless for a baby "trainer" I reckon, she is probably too scared to actually have one of her own
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 9:34pm |
Ummm no she doesn't have children but nor did I when I worked as a nanny I still knew my stuff.
In fact most of the career nannies I know don't have children and aren't married. Hard to meet the right guy when you're living with a family and bringing up someone else's kids.
I really don't see what it has to do with her qualifications as a nurse or a nanny.
Like anything, especially when it comes to parenting, different things will work for different people. Just because something doesn't work for you and your family doesn't mean you need to belittle someone else's choice.
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 9:46pm |
Kiwi- it certainly doesn't make you less qualified but what it does mean is that you're looking at a situation from an etic, not emic point of view...that is an 'outsider' looking at a situation as opposed to someone having actually *been* in a situation iykwim?
oh edited to add.....was I belittling someone? 
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Posted: 23 September 2010 at 9:55pm |
I was speaking generally about the belittling, and it wasn't aimed at you personally.
FWIW, as I said on the previous page, we used CLB with Callum. We didn't follow it to the letter, he was prem and we live in a totally different climate/environment to the UK for a start, so we changed a few things and he slept a lot more than "average." However, it worked well for us and it's worked well for a number of families I've worked with in the past (incidentally, they were doing it before I worked for them, I didn't suggest it). We'll be trying the same things with DS2 when he arrives. If it doesn't work out then oh well, that's fine too. I'm well aware that what works for one baby might not work for another!
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Posted: 24 September 2010 at 12:03am |
Emmecat wrote:
. Or any other 'baby trainers'. Babies aren't dogs. |
oh....then I should stop throwing that stick to Tyler for him to bring back to me then ? ahhh bugger
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Posted: 24 September 2010 at 7:17am |
lol Kelly
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Posted: 24 September 2010 at 7:19am |
Ive never ready any baby routine book ever, and dont want to.
With my kids Ive always just followed their cues...and that worked really well for us.
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Posted: 24 September 2010 at 8:51am |
I asked some friends about how they adjust to daylight savings, interestingly the variation in kids bedtimes was huge. I wonder if the kids set the routine to what works for them or the family sets hte routine and the kid then fits to it. Chicken and egg thing I guess.
As I said I love knowing how our day will be so I can make plans and stay on top of life. Other people hate that approach.
When you think about it we all "train" our kids to some extent, we show them how to do everyday actions and teach them what is expected of them as members of our families. No child completely dictates how they are going to live their lives, and nor could you expect them to. Its the parents to job to guide them and so by example. So i do think that everyone gets some kind of training, even if its not a conscious parental decision.
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