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caitlynsmygirl
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 10:12pm |
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Kelly, are you for hire when we need someone to be assertive and can't face it ourselves  |
haha, DH wanted to set up a service "0800 dial a b*tch "
Hope it goes well talking to the principal tomorrow Amber , don't let them intimidate you , you are your son's voice
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 10:50pm |
Just to reiterate what everyone else has said - absolutely no way the teacher should have sent him out of the room!  That's totally irresponsible IMO, I would be furious too if I were you!
I agree with SMoody (I think it was) who said not to bring up the Aspergers with them as a reason not to send B out of the classroom - because 5 year olds shouldn't be sent out of the teacher's sight AT ALL whether they have Aspergers or not.
You're definitely not overreacting. Good luck for your chat with the VP tomorrow
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 11:03pm |
Ditto what everyone else has just said - That is shocking
Good Luck talking to the Principal tomorrow, you know you have all of us here behind you
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 11:18pm |
Good luck tomorrow. Aspergers aside, no 5 year old should be sent out of a classroom alone. Add aspergers into the mix, and there is definate scope for a very upset and scared wee boy. Hope Bay is ok!
We have copies of the international version of the book (slightly more detailed, and Americanised, than the free copies to schools) if you want to borrow one Amber. I would need it back, as they're DH's keepsake copies, but would be happy to lend it to you if you wanted to have a read. Just PM me if the school doesn't have the book (they should though... I remember helping put together all the packs when I was helping out the foundation!!).
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 7:44am |
as you know I am Kelly's Mum and yes when her sister was at year 6 camp I went down for two days and hubby went for two and we had to sleep in the same cabin as our daughter but anyway I was looking at our local paper from last week and they were promoting a new DVD called Autism AT School for more info pj 09 846 0913 or email auckland@autism.org.nz
may be of some help
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 7:52am |
no you are not that is horrable poor bay i would tear that teacher a new one
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 3:58pm |
OMFG some people are the biggest punks! That's disgusting. I don't blame you for being upset, they have completely avoided the issue that you wanted to talk about and then turned it all on you.
What 5 year old (honestly) would just wait outside somewhere for a teacher to come and get them?? The point is that he shouldn't have been sent out there in the first place.
If you have a letter from Bay's specialist I would be marching back down to the school - with DH if poss so he can back you up - and see the school principal. If they are still rude and obnoxious, I'd be talking to the Board of Trustees (they have them at primary school, right?). In fact, I would probably be writing them a pretty strongly worded letter anyway.
Man, I am so peeved for you right now
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 4:06pm |
I'm with kiwisj on the letter. It can be passed up to the principal and BOT - what is concerning is that no one has addressed the fact a 5 year old was left unsupervised. A letter also means that you can present your side of the story without being flumoxed by someone who goes on a tangent. What is of extra concern is the lack of knowledge about his disability and while I know you don't want to make the argument about that, this needs to be addressed so that he can get the support to fully participate in school life. Is he linked in with GSE (Special Ed in the Min of Ed)? I know it's now damned hard to qualify for services but if he is linked in, then maybe they could be involved in advocating and educating the school. There's also a DVD called "In my shoes" that schools should be able to access free from Min of Ed re autism spectrum disorders.
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 5:16pm |
I am so disappointed and sad that you were treated like that. It is terrible and I really feel for you. You are still learning yourself and doing such a great job for your son. A school should be a supportive place looking out for his individual needs. The resource ideas that others have given you DVDs, books etc sound really great and it is good you have the specialist letter. It shouldn't have to be like this but hopefully some of that information can be helpful going forward. I know you are near the end of your pregnancy and therefore exhuasted. This is the last thing you need.
Hang in there. I think you are doing a great job for Bailey.
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 5:43pm |
OMG. So you told her you had a letter from the specialist confirming that he has aspergers and she is doubting the specialist because her experience as a teacher makes her more knowledgable than the specialist????? Where does she get off?!!
I would be seriously considering a change of schools at this stage. I have very limited experience with schools but from what I've heard the majority are excellent and those than aren't are usually due to the principles and vps.
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 5:49pm |
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My thoughts exactly! Wow, I can't even believe this! Even if he was just a 'naughty' kid, absolutly NO excuse for telling him to get out!!! I am so angry at that school right now. I hope you get to talk to the principal and that she is a LOT more understanding than the VP.
Man, I am so fuming on your behalf!
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 6:23pm |
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I really agree with Jo on this one, I don't have experience with schools myself but for a child with special needs that need to be taken into consideration I wouldn't want him in a place where he's going to be left unsupervised and his condition not taken seriously. You want to be leaving him in the care of a teacher & staff that are accepting and supportive of his aspergers, not ridiculing you and doubting the fact that there is anything medically wrong with him.
I can understand why you're upset darl, that's just not on!
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 8:02pm |
I wish i was able to change his schools but there is only one other school and its slightly out of our zone and it is also prodominantly moari orientated (now i dont have a prob with that bcos im half maori but i think itl add to his confussion) they also have 30 kids per class compared to the 9 in his current class so unfortunately i feel a bit stuck on it!
The tragic thing is that when i came home i actually went on the net to look up aspergers to confirm for myself that he does have it!!!!!  they have got me doubting myself even!!!!
I also rung the autism society to ask them whether its possible for them to not see the true Bay at school and she said "well for starters theyv only had him since march and secondly Bay has been diagnosed as high functioning so yes it is highly likely that he can seem normal to them" she also said that its likely that he does have "some" standard behavioural problems (which he does and i dont deny that) and that they are lumping it ALL as behavioural problems. She also said "but regardless of what is what they should beleive you as his mother instead of making you prove it!"....well i was REALLY holding back the tears otherwise she wouldnt have made any sense of what i was saying! lol.
She is sending me a heap of info and amoung it - ways to tell the difference between a general tantrum and an "episode" which we really need!!.
itl be interesting to see the reception im going to get tommorow!! the VP didnt even really finish up the conversation! she basically walked off!!! cant believe i actually liked her!!! (shes a client of my sisters!)
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Posted: 05 May 2009 at 9:02pm |
Fantastic you've got some support from the Autism Society. If you had a meeting with the school about his aspergers, I wonder if they would be able to attend to support you and give the school more info?
You're doing a great job while being questioned and made to think you're don't know your son. You Do know him. You're his advocate and you are doing so well in the face of them going "nahhh".
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Posted: 06 May 2009 at 10:30am |
apparently i can get someone to come and be my advocate at the school. Im just gutted thinking that the school should be on my side!! not fighting me!!! its like pushing S**t uphill!!
I would actually love for them to tell me about his behaviour at school instead of throwing it at me when i confront them!!....not sure what im going to do about his behaviour though (the probs that are not aspergers related)??? he is SUPER DEFIANT!!!! on everything!!!!!!
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Posted: 06 May 2009 at 10:44am |
You can talk with the school about a referral to GSE. They are part of the Ministry of Ed and have specialist behaviour teams which include psychologists and specialist teachers. They may be able to assess him and give advice. That said, they do have a tight criteria re eligibility, but it might be worth talking about with school.
I'm wondering if you deal with the 2 issues (unsupervised/aspergers) separately - maybe a letter to school about him being unsupervised. Then in a couple of weeks, request a meeting with them and the Autsim Society to discuss his Aspergers and behavioural issues. Set an agenda in advance so you control the meeting - e.g. seeking information about what they see at school, discussing issues you have at home, what strategies you've put in place that have worked/didn't work, what information you need, what supports need to be explored .....
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Posted: 06 May 2009 at 10:51am |
Just to jump in as there has been some excellent advise here.
I would make an appt to see the Prinicpal at a time when you can sit and talk without interruption etc and when you are calm enough to do this.
You are more than able to take someone in with you as your support person. Often it is a good idea as things are easily forgotten or misconstrued when you are upset and angry so having another person there to debrief with at the end is really beneficial.
Make notes of the points you want to discuss and what you ulimate outcome would be to solve these problems or points.
e.g - concerned a child is sent out unsupervised. I would like to see........
- re his behaviour. Explain you are still learning what is and isn't part of his condition and would really like the class room teacher to let you know when his behaviour isn't acceptable and what it actually is - a report card may work to do that
- a senior staff member walking off before a conversation is finished was disrespectful and upsetting
- being made to feel stupid about your sons condition by a senior staff memeber.
Hopefully that will open the lines of communication and get things moving in a more positive direction as I can understand why you are not keen to move schools.
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