Prams under $400 with toddler seat

I'm going to open up a can of worms here

OK so we have a travel system (Milano one) with capsule etc - will keep that for a while so I can use it while Jack's in daycare and take bubs out. But, we need a double stroller.

My requirements:
-not side-by-side (my boot won't allow it and I use the pram mostly in malls etc so not the most practical)
-easy to get both kids in and out of
-kid at back can actually see something when they're old enough to sit up
-actually of good quality and going to last 2-3 years
-can be used as single or double
-easy to fold down, with or without toddler seat just as long as the toddler seat can be removed easily

I REALLY want a P&T and am still looking on TM for one under $500 inc shipping but its not a happening thing at the moment. I refuse to go above $400 (prefer even lower) for a generic double pram, but will go up to $500 for a P&T because of resale value. I don't do much walking but think that'll probably change in the first wee while as dragging 2 kids in and out of a car doesn't appeal, so walking will be the best option.

Also, the ones with toddler seats on the front - I'm a bit skeptical with the tipping factor as I'm aware a lot of European countries have stopped allowing them for that very reason. And I'm guessing you can't put sun/storm covers on when you've got a kid sticking out the front? Which would be an absolute PITA.

Help! What pram do you have, how much was it, and why (or why not!) would you recommend it? TIA

How bout a Valco?

Or I've got a Childcare one from babycity or baby factory, can't rememer which and it is exactly the same as the valco ones, but was only about $300 with seat. Fantastic pram, easy to use and toddler seat easy as well, plus room so kid in the back seat dosen't feel jammed in and can't see. I wanted a valco, but couldn't justify the $400ish when Ihad already had a pram? But yeah,the childcare ine exactly the same.

Hi Emz - can you stretch to $599 for a brand new one? Winkalots have the classic in red with a double seat for $599

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Yeah I saw that Love'n'care one too but the resale is a lot lower (hehe I'm a scrooge!). I have plenty of time though as not planning on buying until bubs is here if I buy new so that's all good.

Must google Valco ones thanks fattartsrock

Jaycee - I did see the classic one but thought hey if I got a classic one I might as well pay a wee bit extra for a few more features! See the trap with P&T

Hmm weegee I think the kiddy board might be a wee bit out of Jack's league lol he'd find way too much pleasure in jumping off it

Thanks for the great suggestions, has definitely given me some ideas. Keep em coming

I second the Valco... we have the special edition Trimode runabout 3 wheeler (which cost $900 ish brand new).. The toddler seat is removable so you can go back to a single stroller. We haven't had tipping issues at all.

So if you can find one of those cheaper it would be worth it too..

Here is what it looks like with my girls in it..

I have a childcare one. It has done the job pretty well but I don't love it. I still haven't figured out how to put it down (thats DH's job) although he makes it look easy. And I find it too much work in malls because I cant see infront of it.
We have also had a few tipping issues, mainly when trying to go up a curb and the wheel spins sideways. We dont have a storm cover but for us it hasnt been an issue, I just dress the girls up warm.

In saying all that I wouldn't be without it, it is great for going on walks. I just leave it set up. And now the girls are older the like to swap seats and its a whole lot easier to push (maybe Im just little and weak) and is great to use as a single stroller.

those with a valco where did you get it - i have one and need to get a new zip sunshade for it.