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Topic: getting rid of the bottle Posted: 01 May 2007 at 8:32pm |
at the moment miss 2 goes to bed with a bottle of 1/2 milk 1/2 warm water and a bit of cheese(shes a cheese freak) and she wakes up heaps during the night wanting a bottle and will scream and scream a really high pitched scream until someone gets up. we are wanting to wean her off the bottle at night but dont know where to start. we made a mistake i think when we weaned her off the dummy and the bottle at night replaced the dummy.we have tried just giving her plain water but boy oh boy did she scream and she banged the bottle against the door until we got up(about 45mins later)
how do we get rid of the bottle with minimal screaming???
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Posted: 01 May 2007 at 8:47pm |
I've just been through this with Jacob, and it was about 3 nights of screaming for about half an hour, going to sleep for an hour and waking up and starting again. What I did, was made him sit in the lounge for a bottle before bed (so as to "break" the association of bottle = sleep ) taking him to bed and sitting cuddling whatever and telling him now, if you wake up in the night and you are thirsty, there is no more milk and you are not allowed to get out of bed. Well, he woke, and I just repeated this cycle, and offered the water I had left on his nightstand and told him that was all there was, and I found that if I was calm about it (hard a 4am when you have had no sleep) he calmed down much quicker. He got the picture after 3 nights, each lessening in intensity. He still wakes once, but is very quick to get back to sleep, I just reinforce the "no, Jacob, remember mummy told you no more milk"
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Posted: 01 May 2007 at 10:34pm |
cool thanks. i am a bit worried cos miss 2 will not stop screaming. and i am kinda worried that if she screams for too long she will make her self sick. but i may try the bottle in the lounge before bed.
already we have had to take everything out of her room except her bed cos she would just play once she finished her bottle and she was moving the small table we had in there and puttin it by the door so she could turn the light on to play.
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Posted: 01 May 2007 at 11:08pm |
my boy has a cup that he takes to bed...he has milo in the lounge then demands it gets refilled with milk to take to bed...then woe bedite anyone if he wakes up and its not there...i thought he was the only one who screamed when his milk wasnt there so am glad to hear hes not...
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Posted: 01 May 2007 at 11:09pm |
Hey there good luck. Paris and ayja always had their bottles in the lounge on a special pillow, so it never was a mission getting them out of going to bed with one.. it was more breaking the habit of having one before bed.. and waking during the night for one.
With both girls, when we stopped the bottle.. we instead took them and let them pick out a special cup to have their warm milk in at night before bed.. and instead of lying on their pillow in the lounge, we read them a story while they drunk it.. it was their "big girl" way of picking their own special cup, and doing the big girl thing of having a story and their drink in the cup before bed. mostly they still have a drink of warm milk before bed and a story.. sometimes they just want water instead.
We also, once we had gone and chosen the cup (toyworld has those straw cups with the characters on the lids.. thats what paris chose.. and it's ONLY used for before bed, and before afternoon nap for those special milk drinks) we got home that day, put all their bottles in the bottle carrier (those plastic ones that most sets come in).. and THEY put their bottles in the bin. We didn't do it.. they did, we carried them out, after explaining to them all day that we were getting a big girl cup so they didn't need bottles any more.. they carried the bottles, we opened the bin.. they said "bye bye bottles", (i think ayja might have hugged them) then into the bin they dropped them. I didn't want them to have memorys of mummy and daddy chucking away their bottles. It was all about them, making the connection with it going out in the wheely bin - which they know is final.. it's gone forever once it's in there.. "ew yuck rubbish"
It was VEEEEERRRRYYY tempting to keep just one for just in case.. but if we had, and had given in.. how credible would we have looked?
It takes alot in the first few days, constant reminders that no, remember we went and chose your big girl cup, you have your milk in their now and have a story.. wow what a big girl you are, and you put your bottles in the bin.. ew they were yucking and old.. ew they are in the rubbish.. how gross and stinky are they now.. remember the rubbish truck came and took them.. blah blah. lol (as said previously elsewhere, am the queen of spinning bull)
As for overnight.. we stopped that before the complete removal of the bottle. overnight we started offering water only.. from a cup or sipper bottle. the first night was hard.. the second night wasn't so bad.. and hello, the next night.. he he, ayja didn't wake up. (paris once she slept thru at can't remember what age.. she never had the bottle again,, very lucky there.)
I would say, move the bottle time to the lounge first.. and tackle the going to sleep without a bottle thing first. once you have that, then try the special cup and story approach. chuck the water only thru the night thing inthere where you feel like it. lolol.
it's hard. i found it hardest with Ayja cos she is a screamer.. and she wakes Paris. but if she gets too crazy screaming, she every once in a while did get bought out to the lounge, and had cuddles etc.. but ha ha, she went back to bed without that bottle ..
as with everything with our stroppy demanding pushing the limits 2-yr-olds... perserverence. lol once they think they have the upper hand.. boy do they run with it. stoke their egos, and make them feel special and like they are the biggest bestest girl in the world etc.. and they will eventually come around ot the idea.
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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 9:12am |
I just threw out haleighs bottles when she was 1 and she never screamed for them again when she saw them go into the wheely bin (they were only cheapy tommee tippee ones otherwise I wouldnt have biffed them lol).
she has a cup of milk before bed every night and takes a cup of water with her incase she wakes up thirsty and we found water was the best thing, she hardly drinks it anyway and its generally full when she gets up but its good just in case esp over the hot nights, also with the dehum going i find i get thirsty in the night.
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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 1:18pm |
Kobe still has his bottle at night and when he wakes and if we dont give it to him he cries till he throws up.
I like all these ideas and will try them but my question is when do you say ok your to old for a bottle they have to go? it just seems like a major hassle when really is it a big deal. I know some people hate kids having bottles and thats cool but Im just dreading getting rid of bottle and its not hurting anyone right?
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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 1:22pm |
I think they do use it more for comfort as they get older than any nutritional value. I spose it's up to the parent, or the child as to when is appropriate to start teaching them other ways of settling themselves to sleep and of comforting themselves other than having a bottle.
We have always thought of bottles are something for babies, so have got rid of them once they are past the baby stage.. out they go with the rattles and baby stuff, once they are old enough to drink from a cup and understand going to sleep without one.. we just got rid of them. at about 2 yrs for each girl. Paris was about 20 mths i think, and Ayja, come to think of it.. was about the same.
I think it's the same as thumb sucking or having a dummy. At what point do you think.. ok, this just isn't right anymore? and that varies from parent to parent and child to child.
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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 1:23pm |
Jake still has his bed time "booby" in a bottle, he won't take it from a cup.. weirdo, it dosen't worry me really, its not like he walks round with it sucking on it all day. ssshhh don't tell plunket!!
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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 1:45pm |
yeah kobe only has his for bed but what annoys me is that he can go to sleep without it, he does at other houses and when he was sleeping at preschool but here he just throws up everywhere.
I hate seeing kids his age with dummies, they are to big and I would definately get rid of it if he was walking round with it. I know i have ot do it one day but am i ready for that battle?
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Posted: 05 May 2007 at 10:21am |
my karitane nurse told me when haleigh was 4months to start giving her wee drinks from a cup to get her used to drinking water form a cup.
so we did water only from pump bottle or cup and milk from bottle til she was 8months old then lunchtimews were milk in cup.
then when she was one she was reaching for her cup to drink from more than the bottle which is how i knew she was ready, at that stage she was only having it at night to settle before bed anyway so it jsut seemed pointless carrying it on.
my mum got rid of my bottles when i was 10months and was shocked i was still suing one for haleigh at one.
if i could i wouldve held onto her being a baby for as long as i could but shes always been independant. she has 2 carebears and a cuddly she uses to soothe herslef to sleep at night along wiht her thumb.
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Posted: 06 May 2007 at 3:38pm |
was just wondering wether maybe the cheese just before bed was causing the waking up. i would prob stop the cheese first then concentrate on the bottle.
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 9:14am |
yeah chesse could be the problem, cheese reacts with me always has if I eat it before bed, same with yoghurt
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 11:07am |
i never thought about the cheese. she loves it to bits. if i would let her she would eat only cheese 24/7. what do i do about the screaming??i can only ignore it for the first 30/45 mins.and we are moving at the end of the month so should i wait before making the changes and say that at this new house we dont have cheese and bottle in bed???
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 11:17am |
you could, but with moving she'll need a familiar routine tohelp her settle in, so either start "practising" for the new house, or try once she's settled in. And i didn't think of the cheese. my older sister used to have horrendous nightmares etc if she had cheese - aparently according to mum, lol.
It could be because of her age that it might be night terrors that wake her up screaming unconsolably. Paris used to get them alot and nothing would calm her, we'd just talk calmly lie her back down and half the time she'd just zonk out again.
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 2:06pm |
tash gets night terrors. she will just scream and thrash about in her sleep but doesnt wake up. only lasts for a minute or so. my mum said that i used to have nightmares when i was tashs age.i still have nightmares now. a couple of times a month i will have one.
the cheese at bedtime is a recent thing. it only started a week or so ago.
thanks mum to paris...
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Posted: 11 May 2007 at 11:39pm |
Jack still has a dummy I would prefer him not to but its just a battle I don't really wana deal with right now we only have it for sleeps so I don't see the problem. The same with bottles I think I don't see the big deal with the actual bottle more the milk decaying teeth.
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Posted: 12 May 2007 at 8:24am |
We pretty much did the same as mum2paris... did the whole mini ceremony for the bottles being thrown out, took her to PaknSave to choose a bottle etc. One advantage that we had and that helped us alot was she actually bit through the teat, so everything snowballed from there. I was also tempted to have a "just in case" bottle but didn't in the end.
Baby steps; I'm not sure I'd give her cheese at night though.. good luck with changes, you've been given some really good advice here.
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Posted: 12 May 2007 at 9:46am |
thanks so much ladies....
well last night df only put water in the bottle at bedtime and no cheese and she was fine.she only woke up twice and df thinks it may be the fire siren in town that wakes her up sometimes.so we are sot of making progress.
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