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Kelly(caitlynsmygirls) mum my daughter was posterior and emergency ceasarean first birth. her brother Cameron I had a trial of labour under an obstetrician and still ended up with a ceasarean and Kate(special needs) I was in hospital for night or two before what was supposed to be an elective ceasarean and went into labour night before and ended up having a third ceasarean
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maybe im weird my birth canal was fine and had pain relief but a short labour .....:) maybe im just different:)
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So just out of curiosity for anyone that would know:
Can a type one diabetic elect to give birth at birthcare?
I guess its not possible right? i mean i have to be induced at 38 weeks, no later.. Will need drips for glucose and care for my insulin needs. I knew that if i wanted a baby i would never be able to have a fully natural birth, but i was really hoping not to HAVE to have a C sect etc.. Of course ill go into it with as open a mind as possible... but.,.. well, you know what i mean!
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im interested to see if a study would show that elective c sections produce more post natal depression etc....as am hearing more and more of that - yet if like me the c section was planned (we had major probs remember so was totally planned) then you go into the room and epi having had all the pre op appts etc etc and feel so much better for it...and I will never go naturally (unless by accident) as my c section was pretty blissful!

but i know too many first time mums who planned so much for the longer for natural birth and ended up with c sections and depression afterwards!
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My ESC was probably due to inducement but then again i doubt i would of got that heffa out naturally regardless (9+lb bub outa a 5'3/ 45kg Mum) Maybe its the food these days
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I'd really love to do a study on that BS would be really interesting to see.

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I had an induction but no CS - gas pain relief and no epi, no drip or anything either. I was really worried about the cascade of intervention when I was told I needed to be induced two weeks early as I am really scared of having a CS (but would have one if needed, obviously). I discussed my concerns with my midwife before and during the induction, and think this made a big difference in my care. The gel took about 36 hours to start working and in that time no-one even mentioned trying to get a drip going etc. and let me go as naturally as possible. I'm hoping for a similar experience if I have to be induced again.

Originally posted by Mum2Lucas Mum2Lucas wrote:

Another aspect of babies/birth I'm interested in is if birth weight has any bearing on their weight as children/adults...does big baby (at birth) mean big kid?


Funnily enough, I had a discussion with our PN last week, where she was saying that from about 16months is when you can start to predict what your baby's weight will be as a kid - apparently this is when it starts being a bit more stable/levels off.
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Originally posted by Bombshell Bombshell wrote:

im interested to see if a study would show that elective c sections produce more post natal depression etc....as am hearing more and more of that - yet if like me the c section was planned (we had major probs remember so was totally planned) then you go into the room and epi having had all the pre op appts etc etc and feel so much better for it...and I will never go naturally (unless by accident) as my c section was pretty blissful!

but i know too many first time mums who planned so much for the longer for natural birth and ended up with c sections and depression afterwards!


yes would be interesting..everyone warned me about not having my heart set on a natural birth for that reason(and i didnt ...i was prepared for whatever needed to happen..though not to have labour and a c-section) but many of the mums i know with depression had a c-section so would be interesting to see if it correlates with the general public..
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I didn't have sections but was induced both times and got PND both times , wonder if that has been researched as well.

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Bombshell do you mean a study to see if emergency C-sects produce more post natal depression? If so I've wondered that too. Mine was elective and I had so long to plan and come to terms with it I totally embraced it and I'm really happy with my birth experience.

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One thing that is interesting, but little known, is that babies actually don't gain a lot of weight post-dates, so if you go overdue and then have a big bubba, it's not the going overdue that let bub get big, bub would have been biggish at term as well.

I think the care that you have during labour plays a huge part in the final result as much as anything else. I had a 9lb, posterior baby who I had been labouring with for 30+ hours, had the epidural and had to have it topped up again during transition so had reduced pushing sensation but still managed to have a VB. My midwife was very calm throughout the whole thing, she did at one point say that if Maya's head didn't come down enough she would need to get the registrar in to assess whether ventouse was neccessary, but in the end she popped out.

I am convinced that had I been under a hospital team I would have had a section some 6-8 hours before Maya was actually born as her heart rate was a bit jumpy, she was posterior and I was quite stressed. But I am so grateful that my m/w encouraged me to perservere and in the end Maya turned like a corkscrew as she was coming down the birth canal and was born anterior.

And for whoever it was that asked, I think it was Sarah Beth, hell yes, posterior labours/babies hurt waaaay more than anterior ones! Having twins was a breeze after posterior hell with Maya!
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Oh and if I had ended up with a section with Maya it would have changed my whole obstetric future. The gremlins would have been an elective due to the higher risk of rupture with a twin delivery and then Iggle Piggle would probably also be a elective due to the short time between pregnancies, the increased risk of rupture as my uterine walls are thin from the twin pregnancy, and coz there is a climate of fear around VBA2C.
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This is a really interesting topic, and I really hope that some research does go in to it soon as the rates have jumped significantly in the last 5-10 years. And afterall, with the shortage of beds/staff/resources, it would be in everyone's best interests to try and understand what is causing this shift...?


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I had an e c/s for #1 but VBs for the other two. From what I've heard, once you have one VB under your belt, the more likely you are to be able to continue with VBs.

I have also heard the theory that increasing epidurals make for increasing c/s. After having Briona via VB with an epi I can't see how that could be - I couldn't feel any push sensation so it took me a long time to get the hang of that. And I need an episiotomy cause I wasn't stretching enough. I wonder if I hadn't had the epidural I wouldn't have needed cutting - but I'll never know.

ETA: not sure about c/s and PND though. I think I had a rougher time with 2nd baby + silent reflux than with ec/s (even though that was emotionally hard) - but still not PND either time.

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Originally posted by Bobbie Bobbie wrote:

Bombshell do you mean a study to see if emergency C-sects produce more post natal depression? If so I've wondered that too. Mine was elective and I had so long to plan and come to terms with it I totally embraced it and I'm really happy with my birth experience.


yes totally....just from speaking to a few friends and colleeagues it does seem to...yet me going a day before and sitting with the hosp team etc and knowing from 7 weeks that c section was poss meant i was well prepared! I was more scared when spec thought she was going to position and i was ok for poss natural - scared me to death!

having said that - my great aunt had a baby stillborn and could not have another child. I do still wonder - as she had similar pregnancy to me = whether she too had a bicornuate uterus and if so maybe modern medicine saved ella cause i found it out at 7 weeks pregnant from a scan...if i hadnt then we wouldnt have known i had it (as it stretches and thenyou just wonder why bubba is breach or prem etc) and so we worked to a c section from there...maybe that intervention medically is why c sections are on the rise also...to save these bubbas?
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After 27 hours of labour, 3 hours of pushing, failed ventouse (twice) and no drugs except for gas and then I had an emergency c section! So I pretty much got to experience everything!!

Damn posterior and forehead presentation baby meant there was no way she could fit out normally!

Yes I was absolutely gutted to have a c section, espeically since I got so far and I HATE my scar with a passion, but honestly I was so shattered at the end I didn't care how they got the baby out, I just wanted it over with! I have not suffered any PND at all, just normal raging hormonal days sometimes
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After 48 hours of labour, pushing for 3 hours, pethidine, epidural, spinal block, failed forceps, failed ventouse and then an emergency c-section that ripped me to shreds...Keziah definitely wasn't budging (pelvis to small, head to big) so it was absolutely the only way.. she was only 7lb8oz so I can't imagine how it would have been if she was any bigger
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Originally posted by Bombshell Bombshell wrote:

I was more scared when spec thought she was going to position and i was ok for poss natural - scared me to death!



Me too - when they hooked me up for monitoring just before the procedure the nurse could only get a reading from where her bottom was and told me she thought she had turned. I almost died of shock - She hadn't moved though.

I also wonder (same as you) about how much is due to better monitoring and awareness. My mother's side of the family have always had small babies and after a near perfect pregnancy my placenta started failing right at the end and Rowan dropped to the bottom percentile so she came out early at 5pd 11oz which is close to me and my sisters' birth weights. So I do think that maybe it's a hereditary condition but has never been picked up in a prior generation.

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Originally posted by Bombshell Bombshell wrote:

Originally posted by Bobbie Bobbie wrote:

Bombshell do you mean a study to see if emergency C-sects produce more post natal depression? If so I've wondered that too. Mine was elective and I had so long to plan and come to terms with it I totally embraced it and I'm really happy with my birth experience.


yes totally....just from speaking to a few friends and colleeagues it does seem to...yet me going a day before and sitting with the hosp team etc and knowing from 7 weeks that c section was poss meant i was well prepared! I was more scared when spec thought she was going to position and i was ok for poss natural - scared me to death!

having said that - my great aunt had a baby stillborn and could not have another child. I do still wonder - as she had similar pregnancy to me = whether she too had a bicornuate uterus and if so maybe modern medicine saved ella cause i found it out at 7 weeks pregnant from a scan...if i hadnt then we wouldnt have known i had it (as it stretches and thenyou just wonder why bubba is breach or prem etc) and so we worked to a c section from there...maybe that intervention medically is why c sections are on the rise also...to save these bubbas?


Yeah I think that might be the case too, while the rates might be higher they might be saving a few babies that wouldn't of made it. Sure some csects might of ended up a VB if been left but if a few babies were saved why risk it really? Does it really matter that csect rates are rising?

I had a longish second stage of labour with Jack (was 8 cm at 6 in the morning but wasn't fully dilated until 1.30pm) and because I was at a birthing unit they just left me to it and we got there in the end and everything went perfectly with a wee bit of gas. Afterwards the midwife said if I was at hospital they would of tried to break my waters and give me something to move things along which probably wouldn't of worked and would of just put me in more pain, so more pain relief would be needed and who knows what else. In my situation I was lucky to be where I was.
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