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Hey Frantic, give her a slap please and tell her to get of her high horse.

I have Andrew in fulltime daycare at the moment, well he is booked in for that. After I first had him and after the paid leave was up I went back to my job as a casual (I could due to the type of job it was) I worked around DH and we didn't need to have daycare. After a few weeks of not being given the hours I was promised (as usually with the casuals) I went looking for a fulltime job. (There was no way I was going back fulltime to that job as the hours were all over the place) I managed to find one and then we sorted daycare. Andrew was put in from 11.30am to 5.30pm Mon, Tues and Wed at 5 months old. I have to say they taught him alot with eating and sitting and crawling. However me spending all that time away from him I developed PND. I was very lucky to have a very understanding boss who gave me 2 days off a week paid and I had just started the job to help with the PND. I managed to work myself back to fulltime hours and get over the PND without drugs. As that was happening DH's job was changing and we needed to increase Andrew's hours at daycare, which at 1 year old was fine. It took us till he was 18 months to have him in fulltime daycare. His language is wonderful as they encourage him to use all different sorts of words, he recognises heaps of things (he even knows what and how to say octopus).

Who cares that you want to put your child into care it's you own choice, I know my MIL wasn't all that happy when we put Andrew in and now is "you must be so proud of his language etc". That drives me nuts. I would so use the well we are planing to take bubs to .....(whereever family is) and by me working means that we will be able to go early next year. This may pull at her spec if she really wants to see the family there too.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Now, I haven't read may other replies so it has probably already been said a million times - but that is just wrong. The one thing that sticks with me is the part about only being a part time mum. At no point, do you ever stop being a full time mum, when you are working hard to meet a deadline, you are thinking about all the time you are missing with your child, when you are sitting at work, any time of the day, it's hard to stop yourself from thinking "i wonder what they're doing right now" wishing you could have a little window or bubblevision into the daycare.

Being a SAHM is hard, I have been there and done that after having Paris and when i am not in class, I also found that 1st year of her life the most incrediably lonely and isolated time in my entire life, 1 - because i didn't have a license, but also 2 & 3 - I had PND, and i was already shy and withdrawn anyway, so I really didn't go anywhere do anything, meet anyone, even when friends would suggest coming out to meet them, i would make an excuse.. with no reason to.

When i am not in class the kids usually are at home with me most of the time... and when they are sick (which is often at the mo) and we have been stuck at home for 2 weeks on end not going anywhere, with 2 grumpy kids all day, you still manage to look around and wonder how on earth you haven't managed to get anything done!

But being a working mum is hard too - obviously there's the emotional thing, as well as trying to ensure that not only do you get al ittle time for you, but time to spend QUALITY time with your kids, fit in work commitments (cos kids cannot be the excuse for everything.. especially if your boss is a prat)still do the housework in half the usual time and have a social life and time for your partner.

I think all mums work incrediably hard no matter what the circumstances are... Which is why our time on here together is so important. Even at the end of a long day - i still find i need time on here to nut things out, relax and reassure myself i'm not alone.

Paris has been great with talking all along but for her Daycare increased her confidence, she used to scream at strangers, especially men, if they even entered the room she was in. I was so proud yesterday, with 20 kids and many more adults at her birthday party and she was happily stopping to chat and have conversations with the parents.. alot of which were the dad's that brought their kiddies (daycare daddies, as mummy was working). For us daycare has been great in that aspect.

A while ago i did say to mike that never would i recommend anyone putting their kiddie straight into daycare in the first year. But that was when i had been sleep dprived for a week or so, both kids were sick - i must say that Ayja has been the exception and i was just so very angry that for the first 3 months of her life she was a great sleeper, a settled baby, slept and fed a dream and was so easygoing - i do know that once she started daycare it was not all about her, and so her routine had to be fitted in with the other kiddies which meant she was often kept up too long, possibly not fed right on her feed times, got overstimulated and overtired, wouldn't settle, and here we are at 14 months with a kiddie that has times where she sleeps like a dream and others where she will wake more times during the night than a newborn baby! lol so yes, as a working mum i feel i do just as much work as a SAHM..I have all the re-programming to undo some of the negative aspects of daycare.

I always thought i would be a SAHM, i really did, but things didn't work out that way, and i still feel so bad, everyday that i leave my girls at daycare, but they need that time away from me - they are both independant fiery wee girls and it has done them good. I would love to have some set hours so i could at least have them at home with us alot more often, but the one thing i can bet on is, because my new job is 0.8, which means i work 8 days a fornight, I will at least have 6 days at home with them.. be it a weekend, a weekday, and it may not be all in a row - but right now that's 2 more days than i had with them while i was studying.

Eveyone's entitled to their opinions, but sometimes it's best to keep them in check and be a little sensitive - alot of use HAVE to work, CHoose to work, or even LIKe to work... and for those who don't the job is just as hard, the day is just as long, and we are all good mothers no matter which way you look at it.
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wholy crap that is a long post, i had no idea i wrote that much!
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Well said though
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very well said
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I agree...well said!

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Hello! This is my first post on here, but I just wanted to say that I actually conducted a research study into the importance of regular breaks from the care of children when at Uni. The overwhelming result was that as long as the time away is ok with the Mum, then it benefits everyone. If a woman is guilted into staying at home, or absolutely has no choice other than working (many of us could downsize to stay home if we really, really wanted it)that is when it doesn't meet the needs of mother and child.

In the end, there are people on both sides of the fence who feel inadequate about what they are doing, for their own reasons that we have no control about. They will take it out on anyone they can. My advice is try not to own what others say, only you can know what will work for your family.
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Well said Janine...I so agree.
I agree about how you think about your child during the day. I have a photo of Zaara on my desk and keep looking at it during the day. I call her 2-3 times a day and talk to her as well as go home to see her at lunch. I also talked to the day care place about coming over at lunch to feed her and they said it is fine!!

You never stop being a mum!!! For example, I was glad to come to work today because be had a rough weekend. Zaara is teething and its hard...She finally fell asleep at 1am last night.....I am sooo tired but now that I am at work, I miss her little face and her smile...and cant wait to go home!

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i like your ticker roksana - zaara is 9 months and old. :)
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Thanks everyone - it's really reassuring to hear what you all have to say. I dont have a lot of points of reference for this kind of stuff, 99% of my friends dont have kids and they all work, so really these kinds of decisions or topics dont often come up in conversation. Its good to know there are people out there with kids that think it is ok to work too - not that I would base my life on what other people say but like I said, it helps to have the opinions of others just so that I know I am not totally alone in this - your cooments are much appreciated, each and every post!
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Frantic, when I was pregnant and after I had Andrew I was the first of all my friends so talking with them about anythign to do with babies and childcare went right over their heads. I have now met some great people that are mums and we are really good friends.
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it can be the hardest time in the world when you are the first of your friends to have a baby. They dont understand that you cant just drop everything and go, lazy days drinking are no longer an option, and you get really ticked off when they cancel on you at the last minute - because you have a baby sitter all lined up and now there is no need!!!!
But those that are important to you, you will make time for, and you will definately make friends with people who are in the same stage of life as you - family, young kids etc.
if anything, i sometimes feel for dh, he hasnt had the oppertunity to meet guys in his position, like i have been able to meet other mums, and he has drifted away from alot of his mates. he doesnt complain, as he is such a family guy, but i sometimes think he must miss just going out for a beer now and then....
oops, OT :)

hope you are feeling better about the decision you have made frantic, most people are pretty understanding about going back to work, and those that arent dont get out enough!
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He he Lyla...I think its broken!!!

Zaara is 9 months and 7 days old today!!

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Yeah I have been finding it a bit hard that I am pretty much the only one in my circle of friends to being even close to having a baby - I am not particularly young (28) so I'm not sure how thats happened, but anyway thats the way it is... I will meet other mums soon I am sure, till then I always have you lovely ladies to bounce ideas off which is great!
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There was a thing on channel one news about kids going to daycare. i missed it as me and Andrew were in the shower. Did anyone else see it??
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I saw it and was really disgusted.

"Chidren in daycare? Are you kids "missing OUt"...as if working mums don't feel guilty enough without some crap about how kids who go to daycare miss out on mum and dad attention.
the report itself wasn't too bad, but the questin is just so leadning and annoying.
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Yeah I thought the same Lizzle - it was very geared towards the assumption that daycare is damaging and that it must be proved otherwise...
They had this lady who had done a study and was going on about the "överwhelming evidence pointing to the fact that in order for daycare to NOT be damaging the standard of care must be of a high quality" - ummm duh! Did we need a study to tell us this? ANY CARE, whether given by parent or carer needs to be high quality doesnt it, or else it will be damaging? Sometimes I just have no respect for parts of the media - they really to whip up a frenzy for nothing...
And I think you are right about mums feeling guilty ebough as it is Lizzle - it's rediculous!
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I think we should all text NO to 2121....

I didnt see the report but was wondering what that text ad was talking about!! Hmmmm....

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Sorry - probably come in a bit late here but I came back to work when my girl was 6 months old (she is now 2 years old) and I have to say it was both choice AND necessity.  I have absolutely no regrets because I look at how my daughter has blossomed, how she gets excited about seeing her friends at daycare, looking at her pictures on the wall, the birthday/mothers day/fathers day cards etc all bring a lump to my throat.  They have done stuff with her at daycare that I would never have done with her at home at such an early age.  She talks well, eats well, socialises well and is very active!  The time that we have together in the evenings and weekends is real quality time and we make sure of that.  I think your child comes to an age where they need kindy/daycare etc.  Take your time and go around and have a look at a few daycares and choose one that you are comfortable with and you feel that your baby will benefit from.  At first I used to feel a bit guilty at not spending the first year at home, but now I take a look at my daugther and feel proud of the job that we have done and that includes starting daycare early.  Don't let anyone judge you for the choices you make for the sake of your family. 
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Thanks for sharing you expereince popsicle - it's very reassuring that for you it was the right choice!
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