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Kels 
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 Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:07pm |
 Two Blondinis wrote:
I would look at the procedure differently if it were for medical reasons and done under some kind of anaesthetic.
You could also argue that sweat glands make you "unclean" but we don't have people chopping out their baby's armpits!!!!
Circumcision is just as nuts sounding to me! |
ROFL about armpits
I looked at getting it done for Alize when I was preg with him but after reading up on all the research, speaking with the Drs I worked with and seeing the bubs come in post op to check wound totally changed my mind.
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:08pm |
Glow wrote:
i just had to say... you dont have to chop out armpits, just get rid of the salt that you produce by absorbing it with crystals or something i think you call it smellies or deoderant. Maybe washing your baby will help, but remeber washing too much could also lead to skin disorders... |
ok - bad example! But why stop at armpits? I'll chop off DH's feet too! lol
But you can see how unnecessary it is (to me at least) to remove other parts of the body for the reason of cleanliness.
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:10pm |
Yep i can see. That was so funny that i had to say something  
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:12pm |
Maya wrote:
One of the big deciding factors for me is that when I was younger the boy across the road had to be circumcised for medical reasons when he was about 13 and I'll never forget seeing him hardly able to walk for days afterwards. I didn't understand what was going on at the time, but now I think it would be far better to have it done as a minor procedure as a baby than under general anaesthetic at a much older age. |
If a 13 yr old needs a general for it how comes its ok for a baby to have it done without any anaesthetic, at least the 13 yr old understood why he was in pain and knew it wouldn't last long.
My chiropractor told me babies don't feel pain, this is what a lot of doctors think, and quite frankly that is the most insane thing I have ever heard, the only reason they get away with doing this is because babies are defenceless. I find it shocking that this still goes on in the "civilised" world. In England it is extremely rare for boys to be circumcised and rightly so.
I will get off my soap box now
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:41pm |
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Umm coz im different
I think/ believe whatever; that a adult is going to have more skin there to remove than a baby under 6wks of age. Where do we live? NZ!! And Auckland happens to be?
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 7:50am |
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I know we live in NZ I was just giving a comparison.
One thing that no one has mentioned is that a man's sexual experience is reduced from not having a foreskin, that is why it is done for religious purposes (and is the reason that women are circumcised too). Would you really want your child to lose that?
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:09am |
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And you know that how??? Are you a man?? Have you had comparisons with...
What they say is just their opinion/story; why do people always take it for truth- what other people say???
And 1 persons experiences is not how & the same as someone elses- it never will be coz .....
We are all differnt
Exercise caution in your business affairs coz the world is full of trickery!!
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:14am |
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I was told by a guy who was circumcised when he was 22 cos of an industrial accident.
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:17am |
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I reckon, if boys/men weren't meant to have foreskins, why would god have given them them??
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:20am |
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When I was pregnant we did discuss it and I told him I dont know any of this stuff so he is the guy he has more say in this. So he decided circumsized. But then one day (after I had McKayla) I saw this one video and I couldnt even get through like a minute of it. (was a ten minute video). The dr kept on saying the reason why the boy is crying is because it is cold (yeah freaking right that child was screaming with everything he had in him.)
I showed hubby this and he looked for a minute and told me dont they give him anything for the pain like a local or anything? And I told him this dr said not needed. He just looked at me and said no way are they touching is boy if he has one one day.
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:24am |
And that is the only *man* you can make comparision with?
To punish them Red!!! 
They would of been too clean otherwise!!!
Funny how some are born with nothing!!!
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:30am |
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I reckon, if boys/men weren't meant to have foreskins, why would god have given them them?? |
Totally agree here, if they are born with them why do we choose to remove them for no reason? If its removed for medical reasons, sure, that is a "need", but IMO its not even something up for consideration for DH and I, infact we haven't even discussed it, never will, its simply not an option.
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:30am |
I didnt see this unfortunately but I am very much AGAINST! When I worked in the USA as a nanny for a Jewish family we attended a "bris"(I think thats what its called?). Anyway its tradition for the baby at I think 6 days old to be circumcised, they did it right then and there at the party The way that poor little boy screamed was hideous!! Needless to say none of my boys will be!
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:50am |
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circumcision is needless, unjustified mutilation. if my boys decided at 21 to get it done then it would be their choice and i would support that. but i refuse to take that choice away from them and alter the way they were born for aesthetic reasons or because it would be the same as their dads or because it would be easier to do a baby than older kid or because of outdated religious beliefs or any other excuse used.
to say that a man with a forsekin is more sensitive than one without is hard to prove cause as women we wouldnt know and frankly unless you were a grown male who had both as a grown male then there is no way to compare.
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 9:22am |
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I'm with you GandT, I'm totally against it. Most people who have their son's 'done' these days cite cleanliness as their reasoning. Um, perhaps I'm missing something, but surely teaching your son how to keep himself clean does exactly the same thing, and doesn't hurt a bit???
And re the relationship between female and male circumcision - there isn't one. Female circumcision is done as a form of domination over women, to make sure they never enjoy sex (they remove the clitoris with a knife), therefore meaning they would never cheat on their husbands. There is no religious or medical reasons for it at all.
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 9:30am |
Have you had your clit pierced? Why do people Peirce??
Religious reasons??  
Do you know why Jews do what they do???
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 9:54am |
Glow wrote:
Have you had your clit pierced? Why do people Peirce??
Religious reasons??
Do you know why Jews do what they do???
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Piercing is a personal choice - not a choice made for you by your parents. Also - its not a permanent thing - you can remove a piercing at any time.
It is my understanding that they jewish people believe that both Adam & Moses were created in Gods image, and they were both circumsised. Also - like so many Jewish commandments, the brit milah is commonly perceived to be a hygienic measure; however the biblical text states the reason for this commandment quite clearly: circumcision is an outward physical sign of the eternal covenant between God and the Jewish people. It is also a sign that the Jewish people will be perpetuated through the circumcised man.
But - I am not Jewish, if you wanted to understand their reasons it would probably pay to ask someone jewish.
BTW - its not JUST jewish people that do this. Many other religious groups also believe in circumsion.
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 10:08am |
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I couldn't and wont do it.
No one has a right to remove part of someone elses body without their permission.
Watching it being done on 60 minutes only confirmed my stance, there was nothing pleasant watching that baby boy scream in agony, and then being told he's a good boy.
I always thought the job of a parent was to protect their child not inflict pain on them. Maybe I'm misguided in that thought.
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:06am |
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I missed it because we had a blackout last night. Personally I wouldn't subject my son to it as a baby on the off chance there was a medical reason to do it later. As for hygiene, you should be having a shower or a bath every day anyway.
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Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:14am |
There are countries or religious groups who pierce for religious reasons. Look at th African countries
Yes Jews arent the only groups to get circumcised!!
Why where they discriminated against? Killed even??
Coz they were different. Hitler didnt like them- did he. They had no skin on the penis & had brown hair & eyes. Not people the *proper people* should mix with??
What parents do to their children is their business. It is after all their kids that they are conditioning. So what they do is their problem....
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