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I agree with the kid in sports thing...in theory.. when they start to get a sniff of the opposite sex, it heads towards the window... thats what's happening here. The thing that gets me is the lack of consequence. I have read (yes, i finished it, Ana) the He'll be ok, growing gorgoues boys into good men book by Celia Lashlie, and it was a REAL eye opener. She stated that one of the things that have teachers going bats is that parents (mothers) wade in to protect their boys from punishment of any kind at school, like the rules apply to everyone but their son! one example was a boy outside the school gate, waiting a ride, flipped the bird at a teachers and was told to fron tup at the deans office the next day. The boy didn't front up, and when tracked down, he had a note from his mother saying she told him not to go, as he wasn't on school grounds so it was none of teachers business!!! To me, some parents are their own worse enemies!

THe lack of decent role models in the media is alarming as well, paris/lindsey/britney are shockers.
The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P
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That's crazy, when I was at school they still had corporal punishment, and my parents gave teachers permission to use the ruler etc on us. A teacher was someone in authority and my parents always sided with the teacher.
Kids in sports works to a certain degree, however it was the booze culture at the rugby club and the surf lifesaving club that the trouble for me started.
I do think a lot of kids get into trouble cause they are bored.
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yeah, i remember the school always being right when it was me, although I was never really naughty at all, but I did talk alot, so was always getting detention for that (and it was my own fault, my folks would say), but as for my brothers, the school always had it wrong wrong wrong (hindsight is wonderful, aye mum?!)- she admits now she was wrong, lol!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote miss Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 June 2007 at 3:33pm
That is exactly what I posted about in my mammothpost on the previous page fattarts and fleury - the list of the different ways parents handle children getting into trouble at school these days that teach their kids how not to take personal responsibility.

i saw celia speak at tcol, she is just fab.
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I guess it doesn't help when adults themselves blame everyone else and don't take personal responsiblity for themselves. If our leaders can do it, then how can we expect our children to behave differently. I don't envy teachers they have a tough job and should have parental support.
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Originally posted by fleury fleury wrote:

I don't envy teachers they have a tough job and should have parental support.


Then there's the other extreme... my husband (secondary teacher) has Parent/Teacher Interviews tomorrow night, and he's expecting it to be a complete waste of time for 3 reasons:
1) reports don't go out until the end of the week;
2) notices about it go out today
3) the parents just don't care, and even with plenty of warning only about 1/2 show up!
Becca, mum of 2 girls & 3 boys
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Originally posted by daikini daikini wrote:

3) the parents just don't care, and even with plenty of warning only about 1/2 show up!


Seriously?! I can't imagine not turning up to my son's parent-teacher evenings - ever!
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Secondary school does see parents get a little less involved in things like that. Which is such a shame as it is precisely when parents need to be taking an interest! you see the drop off through primary school - parent help is full on in the juniors then trickles off. Mainly because as the youngest kiddies start school mthat is when the mums tend to go back to work.

interesting to see some women making a reverse choice with staying at home lately - they go back to school when the children are little (after 6 months or so ) then work reduced or no hours through the teens, so they are available then.
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Originally posted by Mikaela Mikaela wrote:

Originally posted by daikini daikini wrote:

3) the parents just don't care, and even with plenty of warning only about 1/2 show up!


Seriously?! I can't imagine not turning up to my son's parent-teacher evenings - ever!


I can't imagine not taking an interest in my children's education either.

Originally posted by miss miss wrote:

Secondary school does see parents get a little less involved in things like that. Which is such a shame as it is precisely when parents need to be taking an interest!


There is a massive problem with apathy here, where the parents are only sending the kids to school because they have to by law, and the kids are only attending until they are old enough to stop. I do an informal job for the school, collating weekly data about in-class behaviour, and I've noticed there is a major problem with punctuality, with students often simply bunking. When they are in class, they don't want to learn.
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If I found out my kids were bunking school I'd get my big beating stick out! OK, so maybe not quite that extreme, but I'd drive them to school and walk them in the gate, that way if they take off again I can honestly say I've done everything I can to make them go.
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Sounds like you went to the same school of motherhood as mine. Her motto was if i could get out of bed I was going to school.

I think girls are influenced by the media a lot more than boys, they are trying to be little women, when store bring out bras for 4 yr olds, that is so wrong!



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