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    Posted: 10 February 2007 at 8:37pm
A lot of people, including me, attribute good kids to good parents. But then a "bad" kid comes along - especially teenagers - and the parents are assured to not worry because no matter what they did it's the kid's bad choice etc and the parents are still good parents.

So what are we to think? Good parents = good AND bad kids?

Sorry I think I'm just ranting tonight lol
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Heaps of people probably think this is a load of bollocks - but deep down every kids has the potential to be a "good" or "bad" one.. just depends on their personailty plus upbringing - some will be bad eggs no matter how damn hard their parents try - others will be wonderfully good with the worst parents in the world. its the nature vs nurture thing - I always say to my girls that i know they are wonderful girls - but sometimes their behaviour is very bad. (horribly terribly awfully bad!) sometimes parents try a heap and just go about it maybe the wrong way for that child's personailty too - what might work for your neighbours ones might not for yours ..

Then you have to take into account their friends too who may not be so well behaved.. depends on your own child and how they see the world etc on whether they want to fit in to be with those ones, or decide its not worth it..   you can parent your own kids but not those of others so i guess - by teenage years.. there is the opportunity for all your hard work to go flying out the window.

argh - who knew parenting was so much guess work..

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I know a Mum who I personally think is a bad Mum and one of her children takes well to her 'dictatorship' style of parenting and the family considers her the 'good' child and the other doesn't and is considered a 'bad' child- basically one of them does what shes told and the other rebels. Out of the 2 kids I actually prefer the so-called naughty one as she has a backbone and underneath the naughtiness seems to be a real sweetheart, the other does everything shes told immediately but has a real nasty streak and is becoming really manipulative. Will be really interesting to see what happens when they become teens...

I think its totally a mix of nature and nurture. I think to a certain extent we are born with personality traits and how our parents raise us and our experiences influence those traits. Sometimes a strong willed child can be raised in a way that makes these traits more socially acceptable and other times they are raised in a way that exacerbates the negatives.

I also think that all kids have their days a go through phases of testing boundaries. I consider Charlotte a pretty darn good kid but at times, like Janine said, her behaviour is bad.

I have a cousin who was most certainly a bad kid- very long story, but I think his behaviour can be directly attributed to the way he was raised eg Jellyfish parents. Once kids get to teens I think it is really hard to pin down the causes of bad behaviour- there are so many outside influences at that point that you can't soley blame responsability on the parents. In saying that, I think that as parents its our job to prepare our kids as best as we can to deal with those influences- raise them to have good morals, lead by example and give them as much self esteem as we can so that they have the skills to make good decisions once they get to that stage. In an ideal world of course...


Wow! What a rant.
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Quickly have to ask... Jellyfish parents?
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Hehe spot the Psychotherapists daughter! Basically means parenting with no boundaries.
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What do you define as bad parenting tho? Is bad parenting just neglecting/abusing your child, or does bad parenting extend to not providing your child with adequate boundaries, nurturing their learning etc. etc.

Just a thought I had... and is there even really a simple answer?
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Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Just a thought I had... and is there even really a simple answer?


Nope.
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LOL I think Nikki is right
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Its so easy to say someone is a bad parent but do you really know what goes on 24/7.

Even when a kid or teen is bad most of the time they are really nice but its when nothing is done to stop their behaviour that the kid turns into a bad person.
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