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   porcelina  
   
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     Posted: 15 January 2008 at 1:09pm | 
 
 
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   Perhaps you are right Linzy, she still isn't asleep and is up again in her bouncinette smiling at me after a short feed (fell asleep on breast for a few mins then woke up again so dunno if she is tired or not, threw a hissy when I put her down after that). Maybe she isn't a sleep in the day baby, she hasn't been sleeping much from about 10am til 3pm lately and the sleep after that she usually grizzles.
 
 I am waiting for Plunketline to call me back to ask them about it all. Maybe she is just a wakeful baby, I dunno.
    
   
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     Posted: 15 January 2008 at 2:03pm | 
 
 
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   Well according to Plunket all babies need lots of sleep during the day despite having a nights worth of sleep her age.
 
 They recommend swaddling (which I have done, the arms came straight out so I dunno how that will stop startling) and the following:
 Stay with baby and pat and shhhh til they calm down
 Leave them and if they start crying go in after 3 mins and do the same
 Continue as above stretching it out to 3, 6 and 9 mins
 If the cries/grizzles are getting more stretched out between cries leave them be as they are falling asleep
 If they are still upset after one cycle go back to 3 mins, some babies need 2 cycles to go to sleep
 
 I hope that helps some people and I hope it helps poor Ruby (who is finally asleep after 2 hours!).
    
   
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     Posted: 15 January 2008 at 2:03pm | 
 
 
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   Oh and they said sometimes tapping the bassinette/cot helps to simulate a heart beat.
    
   
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     Posted: 15 January 2008 at 2:08pm | 
 
 
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   Try safety pinning the swaddle that's what I ended up doing with Spencer cos he could break out of anything. i had stopped swaddling him when he was very young as I thought he didn't like it but it was one of the things that plunket got me to do and it really did make a difference.
    
   
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     Posted: 16 January 2008 at 7:57am | 
 
 
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 good idea about the safety pinning. Anyssa is a houdini too. I watched her sleeping for a while yesterday and she was doing a huge startle just after falling asleep, so I'm definitely back to swaddling today. Let's hope that makes a difference.
 
 In saying that I gave her to DP just before for a cuddle before he goes to work, popped out to put on the washing, and when I come back he's already put her into bed unswaddled. Oh well, she is quiet now (but sneezing...)
    
   
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     Posted: 16 January 2008 at 9:01pm | 
 
 
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   Huge hugs ladies... gosh I got 'shivers' reading your posts... in some ways it feels like FOREVER ago I went through this with Tyde and in other ways... as though it was just yesterday! He is now 11 months... and will be ONE next month!!
 In my personal opinion I did find swaddling/wrapping THE best for my little babies... stretchy type wraps I found the best (as they sort of grip on!) The heat however can make baby feel a wee bit hot... but I did find the restriction of their arms/body alot more helpful for getting them to sleep. In saying that, I have heard of babies that sleep WAY better unswaddled.. so it's going to be trial and error. Many babys grizzle/resist being swaddled at first until they realise that it's a 'good' thing! ;)
 One thing I have learnt big time 2nd time around is leaving baby to go to sleep by himself (into bed settled but awake)... We didn't do this with our first boy... we would go and resettle and rock him to sleep and he's been a shocking sleeper and we STILL have issues (he's now 4.5yrs)....you will start to develop an understanding of the 'grizzles' of protest and the 'cries' of there's something really wrong and when you have you'll find that the grizzling is fine... its' ok for them to grizzle to themselves ...
 But from a non-expert I think that a little baby needs to sleep during the day too.... even if she's sleeping all night.... good luck... it definitely is trial and error, but sounds like you mums are doing AWESOME!! and man, that time FLIES past ...!!! hugs!
 (sorry, re-read my novel and don't know if any of it is remotely helpful! so just wanted to add MORE HUGS!)
    
   
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