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    Posted: 31 March 2008 at 10:59am
I read this article on Saturday and it got me thinking.

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We started talking about it and we're on the same page (thank goodness) my DH and I have agreed we'd rather have more kids than own a home.

If you had to make the choice again (or maybe are making the choice now) what would you decide?

We decided 3 years ago to put of buying a house and start TTC instead. We almost bought a section in a popular suburb in Wgtn. We did the budget and figured we could afford to buy the land and pay rent but couldn't afford to build on it yet but we figured that we'd pay off as much as we could then use the land as collateral to build or sell it on - then we found out we were pregnant and since I was going to have to stop working and also with the initial costs of having a baby we decided not to buy the land. Pity because we could have sold it for a mighty profit but I don't regret it, how could I when I have my precious priceless daughter instead.

With what's happened in the housing market over the past 3 years I don't see us owning a home - not for a long time anyway unless we move to a rural area and build on my parents land. I don't actually care though, I would rather have more kids than own a home.
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Well ideally we would've been in a home before we had kids... We're still young, me being 20 and DF being 24 in May.

However, it's not happened like that and that's OK.

We have been looking at what's on the market for a whlie now as we would definitely like to be in our own home sooner as opposed to later.

We've lucky enough to have the luxury of DFs parents wanting to help out by either paying half and we pay the other, or the most likely: they buy the house and we 'rent to buy' from them.

As is, we're on a fairly low single income, renting a 2 bedroom unit for $300 a week and we do struggle quite a bit, but at the end of the day if we were in our own home, we would be FAR far worse.

It's really hard to try work out what to do. Df has his heart set on owning his own home, and so do I... But at this present point in time, I'm just loving having my little baby girl. Sure the place we're in is small and cramped, but we're coping
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We already had to make that choice and we choose family.

I read that on a $375K house the mortgage is around $900 per week...that is almost triple our rent! Even if we were totally debt free we would struggle with that amount and we are not on low salary's!!!

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Yep that sounds right Paws. Our mortgage is for $280K and is $575 a week. With the interest rates rising, we have had to change it so we are paying interest only, otherwise it was going up by $230 a month.
Obviously it would depend on how much of the $375K of the house cost is mortgaged. I think u would have to have a pretty hefty deposit to be able to be loaned that much.




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It really is scary how high house prices are these days .

We currently own our own house (well a 2 bedroom unit at least) but will be selling it at the end of the year to move into a bigger rental. We are fortunate because we can rent a defence force house for quite a reduced rate. We were only really able to buy our place because DH spent 6 months in the Middle East a few years ago & the "danger money" he got meant he came back with quite a nice deposit. If it wasn't for this I don't know if we'd own anything or not.

But to answer the question - I'd choose family over a house. I believe that life is too short to wait until the "right" time to have kids because it will never arrive.
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we 'only' pat $470 pw for a 270k mortgage. we really wanted to buy a house before considering children as now we can choose when we leave, not someone else. we do struggle, but I don't mind having to work part-time and going back to work earlier tan planned (still will be when #2 is 18mos old) to have security.
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We got the house first. We've rented some sh*tholes, the last one ending at Tenancy Tribunal and 4 months later still haven't gotten our compensation.

For us it allows us to feel more settled and at home. No one is going to sell the house from under us and if something needs fixed we don't have to wait for a landlord to come fix it.

Then again we did own before we moved to NZ and are also thankfully in the situation where we could afford to buy.
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We chose Isabelle ... especially as we knew we wanted one of us to stay home with her there is no way I could service a mortgage, rates etc etc  in Auckland on my income (and I earn a pretty decent wage!)

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I think having a house is important. I think that if you don't have a house before you have a family, what is the likelihood that you will ever be able to save enough for a deposit once you have kids?

That family in the paper had a 100% mortgage which I prob wouldn't want to go for to buy your first house.

Another idea, go and work your a**e off in the UK for a couple of years before you have a family and that will set you up for life!
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Yep thats what we did!! Lol! Well not exactly work our a**es off, did plently of fun things too .

But with the interest rates rising and high house prices its only going to get less and less affordlable to our your own home.



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I was still studying while we were TTC. It made sense for us to have kids first rather than me starting work, saving for a deposit, buying a house then absolutely struggling to pay off a mortgage on one wage and also being alot older. We live in a 1brm+nursery which we rent off my folks for $60 a week(Its in a fab area). Sure it is small but for that rent we want to make the most of it for as long as we can. We will probably live here for a bit when we have baby no.2, will be cramped but so worth it to get ahead. We have started kiwisaver and are saving for a deposit so in 3yrs we can start looking for a house to buy (hopefully prices have plummeted as predicted by then and I will be working PT). We have friends that have huge mortgages and have put off having kids because they simply cant afford it.
After having Bella I think it is sad that work/mortgages stop people having kids when they want- they really are missing out on something so wonderful!
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Yeah pretty sure it was 100% which is what we would have to have...no deposit, too much debt...*sigh*

We're ok with it though...helps having great landlords!!

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We have just bought a house, and hope to have the children next year. We bought for $205k (we're in New Plymouth so slightly cheaper than Akld!!), 100% finance and our mortgage payments are $425 per week. It does mean that I will be back at work once the PPL is finished, but at the same time, DP's mum has put her hand up for daycare duties - she absolutely can't wait for grandkids. If the plans materialise and I get the promotion that I'm being trained for, it will mean I will work full time and DP will stay at home, or help his parents out with their business (which means he will still have the kids and it is possible to do that). Either way, we wanted our own home first. It's nothing flash, a 2 bdrm plus conservatory (aka nursery) on a 450m2 section, but it's big enough to raise 2 children, and doesn't need much (if any) work. Prior to buying, we were paying $300 rent for a 3 bdrm house right in town, but we were getting nothing to show for it, and it was NOT suitable for kids. We don't really struggle, sure we don't have a lot of play money but we don't miss it.
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We have always had great landlords too, and cheap rent. When we got pregnant and first had Michaela we were paying $200 pw in a nice suburb only 10 mins drive from central wgtn. We moved in almost 6 years ago, before we got married and although it was small townhouse and more suitable to a couple than to a young family we stayed there until last nov. We're now in a 3 bedroom family home with a fully fenced section for $300 pw (and it's only 20 mins drive from central wgtn in a lovely family friendly suburb).

One factor in my decision to have more children now rather than own a house is based on the fact that I can buy a house at any age but there comes a time when I will no longer be able to conceive children. I'll quote Emma again by saying "you don't regret the children you have, only the ones you don't have".

I actually don't think it's all that important to own my own home. It scares me to think people are paying so much towards their mortgages and the bank pockets most of it - sure I'm paying all my rent to someone elses mortgage but I am paying a small fraction each week compared to what I'd be paying on a mortgage for a similar home.

Another consideration is the freedom that we have to take off. If we decide we want to move somewhere else in NZ or overseas all we have to do is give notice (or wait till the end of our tenancy) and leave.

Finally where we can afford to buy or build is so far from the city we either need to find new jobs closer to the location or we will have to spend hours travelling to and from work - time we would rather spend with our lovely daughter.
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We bought a house in Nelson before the big boom and so when we were looking at starting a family and wanting to look at family homes we decided to move so we could afford a bigger house. We were really lucky though in that we walked away with a lot of money and so compared to lots of others have a small mortgage and will prob never have any issues with have to be mega budgeters.
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Fortunately we haven't had to make that choice. DH was already a (part) homeowner when I met him, but we have since moved on to owning our current home together and plan to have more children. I am not 100% sure what our mortgage payments are a fortnight, but we have also forecasted that once I am in fulltime employment (by the end of this year) we will be totally debt free in just under seven years. Can't argue with that!
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We were really fortunate in the scheme of things.

Bought back in early 2003 a cheap house (2 bdrm, subdivided section) that had huge potential. Spent over $50k on it over the next couple of years...and had Ethan during that time...

Sold it for pratically double what we paid for it...

Which catapulted us into our current home (4 bdrm, HUGE section) We have since spent $50k on necessary fix ups (New roof and insulation as the old roof leaked etc)

We dont have a flash lifestyle at all just have been fortunate with DH work bonuses that has allowed us to do things to the house and good money management. I would hate to be trying to crack into the house market at the moment tho.. :(

BUT.. Doing both at the same time can be done. We bought Jan 2003 and Ethan popped out March 2003. Admittedly this is 2003 I am talking about and house prices have risen... Also DH's wage was a LOT smaller back then


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Yep, there's so many factors. On our current incomes, there's no way one of us would be able to stay at home with the kids, or even just work part-time. My income goes towards the mortgage and the groceries, and we live off DP's wages. We are also making extra payments to reduce the term of the mortgage by at least 9 years and possibly more if interest rates go down.

MrsMojo - I agree in part to your comment re. the bank pocketing most the mortgage payments. Although rent payments are smaller, what do you get out of it at the end of the day? Sure, only $30 of our weekly mortgage payment actually pays off the principal (at the moment) BUT that figure is going to keep rising and less and less of it will go into the "Bank's" pocket. And at the end of the day, we have our very own home to show for it, it's not "dead money" I guess. I look at it, that if we had kept renting we would still be paying $300 a week, which is $15,600 a year, to someone else and at the end of the day, we couldn't renovate, or redecorate, and we would be at the mercy of the landlords....no "security" as such. But that's just how I think of it.
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For us, having the hosue was important, so we got that first, then saved so that I could stay home when we had a bubba. Due to getting pregnant first go we didn't have as much saved as we expected, but i should get a full year at home before having to go part time.

Our mortgage repayments are over 60% of Dh's money, but you just make it work.
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We had Andrew first and then after finding out that a woman we know was on the DPB and was going to get a house of her own we looked into it and DH's parents offered to help us with the deposit. We were very lucky to get our place when we did. We got it cheap ($174K), and the mortgage payments are about $550 a fortnight. We had hassles when we got the house thou it was rented and the tennents refused to move out and the rental agency had to get bailifs in and everything, it was a mess, I was a mess and poor DH was changing the locks on the doors at 9pm at night when we finally got the house .

But to answer the question I think a house is important, it is security and when you have children it is damn hard to save for a deposit. I know a couple that is a few years older than me who have 2 children as well and they are struggling to get a deposit together to buy a house (doesn't help that they burn 20% of their wages on smokes a week).

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