Shots of Piri Weepu bottle-feeding banned

Blimey things must have changed in the last 6 years

LuckyRed wrote: Sorry, ever so slightly off topic, but can anyone give me some unbiased info to read on breast vs formula feeding? I'm finding this topic interesting as I would definitely like to breast feed if I can but if I can't is formula really that bad? We seem to be brainwashed in this country that formula is evil and to avoid it at all costs. My SIL in the UK has just had her first baby and is exclusively formula feeding (by choice) and everyone over there seems to think it's normal - there doesn't seem to be that huge breastfeeding promotion that there is here. Seeing I'm quite uninformed on the whole thing (apart from to spout "breast is best" like a robot ) I'd like some unbiased reading material if possible. Thx.

I have a friend who bf for 2 years. She was constantly sick, tired, low in iron. She had nothing left to give her daughter as bm sucked every piece of goodness out of her. It's a known fact that all the goody vits and mins in a mum's body is transferred to her bm and leaves Mum depleted. How can any one say that the bm that her DD was getting after two years was any good? Formula has all the goodies like a multivitamin in it. However, bm (when it's good bm) is best. As for bf, it doesn't matter how the child gets it, as long as they are getting it.

Two women in my coffee group bf their children exclusively. The only two children to develop allergies were these two children. They were both severe anaphylaxis.

My DS was allergic to my foremilk. For 9 months, I expressed every feed and threw away the foremilk. But because I had to throw away some of my bm, I never quite had enough bm for my DS. I topped him up with formula. I had no choice. The formula was like a liquid vitamin pill. He does not have any allergies. He's never has any bad colds. He's the fittest child in the coffee group.

I think a bit of both (bm and formula) is good for the child and helps mum not completely deplete herself of every thing good in her body to the point where she is continuously sick.

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Rolly wrote: LuckyRed wrote: Sorry, ever so slightly off topic, but can anyone give me some unbiased info to read on breast vs formula feeding? I'm finding this topic interesting as I would definitely like to breast feed if I can but if I can't is formula really that bad? We seem to be brainwashed in this country that formula is evil and to avoid it at all costs. My SIL in the UK has just had her first baby and is exclusively formula feeding (by choice) and everyone over there seems to think it's normal - there doesn't seem to be that huge breastfeeding promotion that there is here. Seeing I'm quite uninformed on the whole thing (apart from to spout "breast is best" like a robot ) I'd like some unbiased reading material if possible. Thx. I have a friend who bf for 2 years. She was constantly sick, tired, low in iron. She had nothing left to give her daughter as bm sucked every piece of goodness out of her. It's a known fact that all the goody vits and mins in a mum's body is transferred to her bm and leaves Mum depleted. How can any one say that the bm that her DD was getting after two years was any good?

If you eat a proper diet and make sure you're eating healthy, drinking enough water and making sure you are getting enough rest, there should be no reason you're getting ill or having you iron/minerals/vitamins depleted.
It's a known fact ? Can you please link me to that information/research . I've not heard that one before.

pudgy wrote: Breastmilk is the normal , natural food for baby. Anything else is substandard. Research proves this.

Hmm substandard - I don't think this is the correct term! Although research shows the breastmilk is the best there are some cases where formula is better therefore NOT substandard.

If a baby is having a reaction, can't be provided sufficient milk, can't latch properly and numerous other reasons then formula is the best source of nourishment for them.

I think it's just the way the word makes people feel. Like they're giving their baby substandard care or something. Not that that's what you were saying at all

Rolly, I 100% support women who choose (or end up having to) to bottlefeed, I've always had a 'you parent your kids your way, and I'll parent my kids my way' attitude. But your facts are waaaay wrong, sorry. I don't want to be mean about it, but they really are. It sounds like maybe you've had some bad advice from someone on the topic in general?

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Hopes wrote: I think it's just the way the word makes people feel. Like they're giving their baby substandard care or something. Not that that's what you were saying at all Rolly, I 100% support women who choose (or end up having to) to bottlefeed, I've always had a 'you parent your kids your way, and I'll parent my kids my way' attitude. But your facts are waaaay wrong, sorry. I don't want to be mean about it, but they really are. It sounds like maybe you've had some bad advice from someone on the topic in general?

It totally wasn't what I was saying That's why I added the little disclaimer.    

The day my daughter was born she had trouble feeding and her blood sugars were falling. The hospital midwife told me my bbs were too big to feed and I should give her a bottle. I refused because my son and husband have dairy allergies and battled on trying to feed. She then told me the pediatrician thought I was being unreasonable and I should give my baby formula. I ended up insisting to talk to the pediatrician and they came up with an alternative (a glucose drip) I fed that baby for 14 months.   

It would appear that even in the so called "pro bf" New Zealand hospitals there are some midwives who aren't prepared to support it.

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