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Lucky apple
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Topic: H1N1 vaccine Posted: 29 January 2010 at 12:56pm |
There's an Early Protection Vaccine H1N1 for Identified Health Care Workers and at risk patients coming out in Feb. Pregnant women are on the list of those eligible for this....
What are people's thoughts?
To get...or not to get....?
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 1:17pm |
My mum mentioned it to me as she thinks it'll be a good idea to get it done... Although I don't think it'll be given to babies under 6months? In which case maybe I should get it done before I give birth...
I just wonder about how safe it is, I guess... Especially if you're pregnant...
Interested in other peoples thoughts!!
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 1:50pm |
why do the words increased chance of miscarriage come to me on this topic. I think read something aboout this somewhere but i haven't a clue where. Prehaps its worth doing some research about.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 1:53pm |
My DH is keen for me and DS to get this and I think we probably will. I have never bothered with flu vaccine before. The main factor swinging me towards doing it is remembering hearing about pregnant women in Australia who got swine flu, got very sick and had their babies very prematurely. Haven't got a link to back this up but definitely remember reading it.
Don't know anything about the miscarriage link though. I presume that would be miscarriage before 12 weeks?
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 2:04pm |
yeah i think so but i'm not sure. I have a feeling it came out of USA. I will do a wee search and see if i can find anything about it.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 2:10pm |
OK there seems to be alot of info out there about this but nothing that i can find in a very short search that is saying that miscarriage because caused by the vaccine directly it could just be a coincidence. it would pay to talk to your doctor about the risks involoved with having it. Prehaps having it prior to pregnancy would be better? i would check with your doctor.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:26pm |
Yeah - I'm not sure either! I'm an "evidence based" person in general who likes to read the research. All the stuff I've found so far is about the 2009 vaccine, not this new one being developed for 2010 (this was only a brief google earlier when I realised that I'd need to decide by Monday when they are giving it out at work!!)
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:32pm |
Actually - to extend what you were saying about Miscarraige sweetpea - I read something that said the risk was not increased over and above the normally occuring rate (I think the figures were 400 in one million miscarraiged with the vaccine compared with 397 in one million without - not statistically significant difference)
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:33pm |
Im not sure about during pregnancy but I got it done when Jackson was about 3 months old on my Dr's advice cos children and babies cant be vaccinated at the stage.
I read up about it and decided to get it to protect Jackson rather than myself. DH also got it done for the same reason.
Sorry I cant use the Linky URL thingy cos Mozilla wont let me see it (could someone clever fix it for me?) but here is a link to the WHO website about it in pregnancy.
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/frequently_asked_questions/vaccine_preparedness/safety_approval/en/index.html
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:41pm |
I have a friend in Sydney who MC after having the vaccine. Here's her message to me after it happened:
"Well guess it was not meant to be. The scan today showed that the fetus has given up the ghost at week 8 (its still in there, just no heart beat and kinda shrivelled up). Coincidentally that was when I had the swineflu vaccine. As reccommended by my GP. There's no way to prove that had anything to do with it. Except websites like this
http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Drug/swine_flu_alert_281120090734.html
if you have friends who are trying, tell them if they want to take the jab, do it BEFORE they get preg. I dont blame my GP, as it was my own decision based on the belief that if i contracted H1N1 during preg it could be life threatening. hind sight's a wonderful thing.
Now if only I could get to sleeeeeeeep... :-((((( "
As she said, no proof that's what caused it, but very funny coincidence. Personally, I would steer clear, but I guess it's up to the individual.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:54pm |
Actually...I might be starting unsubstantiated rumours - I think that the earlier offered vaccine (offered in Feb) IS the 2009 vaccine afterall...that they are offering this earlier to at risk groups as they are predicting that a bout of flu will hit before the new vaccine is ready for general circulation.
I think it looks safe - I'm still reading.
Have seen first hand the absolutely horrific complications that can arise from H1N1 in a previously healthy adult....horrific being the right word...
I've never had the flu jab....think that until now I've just avoided the needle!!! ha...
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:55pm |
My dad is one of those people who knows a bit of everything, and is always on the net looking up news. He says that you should NOT get it, its not proven, vaccines have never worked, and do you really want to inject yourself with mercury? That stuff stays in your body for life! He says that health workers in the UK are refusing to take the vaccine for the reason that its untested and not worth the risk- the H1N1 virus actually has the about the same infection rate as the normal flu, the only reason that you don't hear about the complications with normal flu is that its normal! lol just my two cents, its up to each individual what they do
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 4:20pm |
Interesting hearing peoples' opinions...makes me want to learn more! (closet geek!)
They don't all contain mercury:
"Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine is formulated to contain 15 mcg HA per 0.5 mL dose of influenza A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)v-like virus.
The single-dose formulation is preservative-free; thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is not used in the manufacturing process for this formulation. The multi-dose formulation contains thimerosal, added as a preservative; each 0.5 mL dose contains 24.5 mcg of mercury."
I'm not sure what the effect of a small amount of mercury is from the vaccines that do...might be negligible?
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 4:30pm |
I'm not really much of a vaccine fan as far as the flu goes, I mean I did one paper in BioMed at uni for disease and basicly the human immune system is a wonderful thing and rarely needs any help.
I'll have baby immunised as from what I've read most of those diseases are deadly or have nasty results and the vaccines have a 90% coverage at least. (not for the flu for polio etc)
But for flu I just don't see the vaccine working much, ppl who have had the vaccine still get the flu, ppl who don't get the vaccine don't get it... or maybe they do.
As for types, I'm very sure the "normal" type flu kills and has killed more ppl than the swine flu.
Anyway thats my not too terribly informed opinion on things :P
Hope everyone has a good weekend!!!
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 6:53pm |
yiiiiiikes I knew this would come up, I'll ask my mum if she can find out any info (she is a neonatal nurse at Wellington hospital and they got an email about it last week as she will be in the first wave to get it, being a health care worker)
Will post up if I find out anything useful.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 6:55pm |
If it is offered to pregnant people first, why would it not be safe for those pregnant?
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 7:16pm |
If I was still pregnant and there was a swine flu outbreak in NZ I would have it. The risks of something happening to the baby would outweigh any concerns I would have with the vaccination.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 7:17pm |
I personally think I will go with it.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 7:32pm |
this is from the info mum sent me:
Who is eligible to receive the pandemic monovalent vaccine?
The government purchased a limited quantity of pandemic vaccine, enough for 150,000 people. The Early Protection programme will be focused on those at most risk from pandemic influenza and on healthcare workers (to protect vital health services in the case of a pandemic).
The following people are eligible for free immunisation during February:
People under 65 years of age (including children) with certain conditions (as for seasonal influenza)
Pregnant women (If they are infected by influenza, pregnant women are more likely to develop severe disease or complications compared with women who are not pregnant; the infection may also put the fetus and the newborn at risk)
People who are morbidly obese
All children aged from 6 months to their 5th birthday enrolled in designated general practices that have high proportions of people who are Maori, Pacific and/or from high deprivation areas.
In addition the vaccine is being offered to frontline healthcare workers – staff in general practice, emergency departments, intensive care units and those who may have direct contact with at-risk patients. The government is covering the cost of the vaccine for these workers but they or their employers will need to pay any other costs associated with immunisation.
NB Individuals 65 years and older are not expected to be at higher risk from pandemic H1N1 influenza as they are likely to have some pre-existing immunity, and so are not included in this eligibility list.
Is immunisation free?
Immunisation (including the cost of the vaccine) is free for individuals at most risk from pandemic influenza (as listed in the previous section).
How do I get the Pandemic Vaccine?
All District Health Boards are running specific pandemic immunisation clinics for eligible groups during February. These may be in selected general practices, in other community settings, or in a hospital clinic. To find out where your DHB has organised clinics and how you can book call 0800 IMMUNE
When will I be able to get the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine?
The seasonal influenza immunisation programme usually runs from March to June each year. There has been a delay in supply of seasonal influenza vaccine but we plan to have sufficient supplies to start immunising with seasonal influenza vaccine from 8th March.
This year’s seasonal influenza vaccine will contain the pandemic influenza A H1N1 strain.
Clinical Guidelines for pregnant women
The influenza vaccine is strongly recommended for women who will be pregnant during the influenza season. The influenza vaccine is normally given in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters but may be offered to women who will be in the 1st trimester when influenza is circulating. For 2010, immunisation will be free to pregnant women wishing to have the influenza vaccine.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 7:36pm |
Thanks for posting that. I was wondering if I could wait until the second trimester- sounds like that would fit in perfectly for me.
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