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    Posted: 21 October 2006 at 5:30pm
A friend has a daughter who is 2 in December and she is so violent. She attacks any child and really hurts them, the thing is my friend doesn't stop her so if she is there you have to sit with your child the whole time to protect them. Every now and then she will tell her off and the kid cries so she picks her up and lets her do something really fun. She also roams around you whole house making a mess of every room. I have my house set up so jack can't where I don't want him but can play with everything where he can go.

When I go to other peoples houses I always try to clean up the mess Jack has made and stop him if he is playing with something he shouldn't or trying to hurt another kid or animal. Am I the mean mum who won't let jack do anything fun? or is it Ok to expect the same thing? I understand kids will be kids but don't they also have to learn to behave?

I want to say something to my friend but I kind of already know she will say "oh yeah I'm the worst mum you don't want to hang round with someone like me" so I say sorry. It's got to the point where I don't want her coming around anymore. I am looking forward to hearing others opinions
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I don't have kids (yet), but I have worked with kids for over 12 years now, including a stinit in daycare. There is no way a child would be allowed to behave like that in dayare - becasue it is not safe. One off attacks happen, especially when the poor littlies get frustrated, but continual attacks are dealt with vrey quickly.

As for the mess, that is just rude. Most grownups pick up after their kids - I can't imagine any of my friends bringing their kids over then leaving everything strewn around - actually, I can't imagine them letting them get into everything!

It sounds like she is a little manipulative with the repsonse you expect form her? If you are not enjoying your contact with her, but don't want to cut her off completly, perhaps you could just reduce the amount of visits? That is a tricky situation for you though.
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I think Miss said it all really.

Yes kids will be kids and should have the chance to but I think it is rude not to tidy up after your child if they have made a mess of someone else's house.

As for her not stopping her child from attacking other children, I'm sorry but that to me is so wrong.

I think I'd be inclined to limit contact with her especially given that she does not seem receptive to any constructive advice!

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Yeah i have to agree, if Kobe was hurting someone i would be stopping him in a second. Sure sometimes they play rough but its not play when someone is getting hurt. There is a wee girl at a playgroup i go to who always lays on the babies, she actaully pushes them to the ground and then lies on them, the mum thinks its cute that she is giving them 'hugs' but every other mother in the room is biting thier tongues.
I guess it would be hard telling someone that thier child is out of control but at the same time I would hate for Kobe to be the kid no one wants to play with because of something i didnt realise he was doing or that I didnt think was wrong if that makes sense.
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Thanks for pointing that out Robyn I hadn't thought of that I might try say something cos she might think it is cute. This kid doesn't see many kids so i guess she just goes for it.

thanks miss and paws if things don't get better i might have to limit contact.
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Maybe just don't invite her over to your house anymore, go out somewhere with her instead, like to the park etc.. then she won't be able to make a mess, and she will have other things to do than just push others around and destroy the house. That way you can leave when you want to as well.

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When I frist moved over here I met a really nice lady and her son who sounds similar to your friends child. He was so aggressive and on the odd occasion she did do anything about his violent attacks she was basically rewarding him- things like 'come over here and have some cake'. I know that some people parent diiferently but when it comes to your childs safety and wellbeing you have to put them first.

As far as the letting her kids run riot in your house and not cleaning up- like the others have said, thats just bad manners! I would recommend limiting contact, and like Kat said, when you do see her try to meet outside your house.
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I would say something personally coz its ur childs safety over what she thinks.

I used to be afraid of Ella being around bigger kids coz of them being so interested and not knowing their limits, but now im fine i only go places where i trust the other parent, i love going to Anas, Joey loves Ella and is always trying to touch her and Ana is really really good and shows him how to touch her gently!!! Hes just soooo CUTE!!! HEHE
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I am with meow....how about suggesting you meet somewhere else...maybe a park etc where she has to keep an eye on her kid? Or chipmunks (even Mcd's playground)etc where if she does that to someone elses kid THEY will step up and say something...you could then always back them up and say "well...she is kinda outta control..etc etc.."
I wouldnt cut her off but maybe she needs her eyes opened a little in a gentle way...?
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I have a semi-violent child! (I say semi because sometimes she is all hugs and kisses, next minute she is biting!)
Not that I am excusing the mother's lack of responsibility. I try and make sure that I intervene when Hannah is being a devil, but she is so damn quick!

Geez, I really hope I don't make people feel like you do Rach. (Ana..? Kat...? Help! Reassurance!)

If talking to the mother fails, maybe you could intervene instead. Not by disciplining or anything, but just remove the child from the situation and tell her than she has to be gentle. I seriously wouldn't mind if someone did that to Hannah. And if you friend doesn't take the hint by you telling her your problem, that might be your only solution.

Good luck!
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Sooo not Nikki! Hannahs not that bad at all and you're really good at stepping in when anything does crop up
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I always feel it's not how the kid behaves, but how the parents respond. I used to get annoyed with people pushing Jake around, and not saying anything. If Jake (ha..."if") is pushy to other kids, I always try to make him apologise and show him how to be more gentle. daycare taught him not to pat but to rub which helps as pats soon escalate into slaps. I would certainly limit how much time you spend around this woman, cause kids learn through imitation and Jack will copy this child and think it's okay. We always make Jake and Taine clean up after themselves at hom,e and other people's houses - even if we do most of the cleaning, jake through a few blocks in the rihgt containers.
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I agree with everyone else... you're not being unreasonable, you are putting your child's wellbeing first. If the mother is not taking responsibility for her child's behaviour, then it (unfortunately) falls on you to find new ways for you to interact... and if that doesn't work (ie, the kid is still being violent, and your boundries are not being respected) then it may be time to reevaluate the friendship.

I "let" a friendship die after the mum laughed when her son pulled a potted plant out by the stem - at my parents place where I was housesitting! She knew it wasn't my house, and knew the plants were off limits (I'd already growled Kiya for touching them) but still didn't do anything about her son... I had to clean up the mess and repot the plant.
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no not at all i have a friend who will let her kids fight each outher but gets up set when a nother kid hits her kid at daycare goo figuer
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I stop other kids if they are being too rough with Hannah. I didnt used to but now I dont care what the other parents think, my babies my important. I just either pick Hannah up or show the other kid how to be more gentle - its usually cos the older one has gotten all excited and rough, not cos thats how they are and I dont think the parents mind...
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If kids are being to rough i tell them to be gentle etc.. loud enough so the mother can hear if possible. We have this problem heaps when I put Addison down in her carseat when we go out to places like Chipmunks, kids seem drawn to babies and can get really rough. I remember once we were at a playground and this older kid was picking on Kobe and being rough and I told him a hundred times not to and then he raced up to Kobe and screamed in his face and Kobe burst out crying and I actually swore to be honest, just said oh that f**cken great, which Im not proud of but the little kid finally go the message and left him alone but by then Kobe wouldnt play anymore and i was so mad that the mother hadnt stepped in cos it really ruined our playtime.

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We were at a playground one day and Hannah very kindly gave a baby in a capsule a whole lot of bark to play with. I had to sit there for 15 minutes picking it all back out (while the mother was getting icecreams for her other children) and hope like hell she didn't attack me when she came back adn found me crouching over her baby!
Luckily she was quite forgiving... I guess her other kids had done things like that to the baby too. But still - Mortifying!
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Well last night I saw her and asked her if she was going to this playgroup thing and she said she didn't know because she was so embarassed cos her kid attacks everyone. I say to her to try telling her kid off because it seems like maybe she just doesn't know what to do.

BTW my friend is a single mum and has lived with her parents until recently and they look after the kid a lot and spoil her
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Well... it is hard dealing with a kid that is quite nasty at times. I know sometimes I am at my wits end when Han is being rough.
The best thing I have found is removing them from the situation.... whether that is a meter away or time out in the hall way or whatever.
I'd say she needs to learn some techniques fast because otherwise what could just be a stage could turn into 'normal' behaviour for that child.
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That sounds more promising - if she is aware of the problem then she might be able to learn some techniques to deal with and change the behaviour. Perhaps you could bring it up again, and say something liek - you know how you are worried because your child is attacking other kids, one thing that I find really helpful is that whenever I see a child doing it, I pick them up, remove them from the other child, put them down, crouch to their level and say a really strong NO.

She might try it if you give it in a friendly way and only give her one idea. (too many is overwhelming when you are already not coping).
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