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    Posted: 23 September 2007 at 11:55pm
I am guessing that this is in response to all the awful things that have been happening recently, but I rung 111 tonight to report domestic violence happening at a house one away from ours and was very surprised and pleased to find out that we were the 4th call. Good on people for getting involved I say!!!
This particluar house is shocking for it, there is always yelling & screaming and banging going on, and there are atleast 2 little (under 5) kids in the house. And as normal it never starts till atleast 11 at night!
I just feel really sorry for the kids

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It's so sad and really gut wrenching when that kinda thing happens.

So good to hear that there have been so many people concerned enough to have rung into the police though.

I remember when all that kinda stuff would happen in our household, I just wished so badly that someone would be kind enough to call the police for us. (This is me as a child/teen witnessing it)

With those situations there's really nothing you can do about it yourself, you just kinda have to hope and pray that someone will intervene - Otherwise you're just asking for more trouble - That I know from experience.

Good on you for putting a call in
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GOOD ON YOU FOR CALLING i would of aswell
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Obviously that is a regular thing at that house, but will it get to the root of their problems or will it create more problems for them..
I have anger & frustration problems & tend to raise my voice in the heat of a moment. Ive been doing anger management & frustrations stuff (im not really an angry person just a yeller, coz nobody listens LOL)
Apparently even that is against the law these days..

We are going to be living in 1 crazy mixed up world were our kids have no boundaries & parents go to jail for disciplining, coz people think the know & not the right help is given to them

What next, government telling us what to feed our kids & how to dress them?

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Yay for ringing!!
Hope the cops did something about it!!
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Glow, you are right, the police know this address very well.
In saying that this is the first time I have rung as this was well past yelling. One of the women living there was being beaten up quite badly by another another couple of the women, one of them was using a baseball bat. (I think about 6 people + kids seem to live in a 3 bdrm house?). It turned out the police arrived just in the nick of time and the one that was being beaten was very relieved to see them. They arrested the two that did the damage and had to take the 3rd to hospital by ambulance.

I am actually relieved to hear that this particular house has just been put up for mortgagee sale so hopefully these neighbours will be moving out soon.

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i don't like the comment "will it get to the root of the problem or cause more problemns for them" - I'm sorry, but if I can hear someone getting beaten up, or whatever, my thought is going to be for the safety pf the children, not "oh, i wonder if this will cause them more problems".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:57am
Ok... how can you make a law & not have things put in place for those kind of people to go to? Where do they go instead & at what level is their problem? Will they get the help the really need or will the just get discriminated against put in jail & our tax money wasted? No it might not cause them more problems but our country YES!!
Just like the innocent people who get charged for crimes the diddnt really commit. Not the case in the case however.....
Ive seen some shocking schitt because of this stupid so called law & you know what no matter the law people are always going to break it

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I hear what your saying glow, but I'd also call 111 if I heard someone being beaten up, and it prob won't solve the problem but if there are kids involved I think something needs to be done.
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Sorry I can't agree with you Glow. If someone is committing a criminal act, then they should face the consiquences of their actions.

If a stranger came up and assaulted you you'd press charges, why should domestic violence be any different.

The trouble is the Police can only step in when a crime has been committed, which is often too late.

Its great to see that people are calling 111, better to do that and nothing be wrong, than not and someone gets hurt or worse killed.

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I think what Glow means is that ok, it might help the safety of the children right THEN, but in the majority of cases, the after effects actually make it less safe for the children in the long run - accused getting angrier because Police are involved so taking it out even worse on the victims when they are out of the cells/jail. I agree in some part with Glow, although I also would ring 111.
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Originally posted by minik8e minik8e wrote:

but in the majority of cases, the after effects actually make it less safe for the children in the long run - accused getting angrier because Police are involved so taking it out even worse on the victims when they are out of the cells/jail.


Don't you think thats the kinda thinking that keeps women in abusive and violent relationships? Cause they're too scared to call the cops or tell anyone, cause she'll get hurt worse.

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Yes, it is fleury. However, as Glow was saying, it's no good just calling 111 unless there is a system in place to follow it up to CHANGE that style of thinking, for both victim and accused. Usually by that time, the victims have little to no self esteem left and therefore don't believe they deserve better - calling the Police isn't going to change that. Also, the support given to the accused can at times be non-existent - so even if that particular victim does get the courage to up and leave, the accused doesn't get the support needed to change their own actions, and then the cycle continues, with another victim.
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so then Glow, you are saying that when we hear something happening, we should not ring 111 as it could cause more problems? is this what you mean?
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Sounds like there is alot of the violence happening now... its meant to get worse towards xmas isnt it?? Eeek!
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OK so I can see both sides of the story here, and whilst I agree to a certain degree that we all have an obligation to call the police in a situation where someone else is being hurt, I can see what Glow is saying and she makes some very valid points, and I agree 100% with what Minik8 says.

Having been in an abusive relationship, I know that anytime anyone else tried to intervene it *did* make things worse. Things got so bad that my friends weren't allowed to come inside the house and had to sit outside on the front stairs if they came to visit, and I was only allowed to leave the house with him.

I think what you're saying Fleury is right, that fear keeps women in violent relationships, but that's a bit simplistic in itself, there are a whole bunch of other factors in play as well.

I'm reasonably intelligent (I like to think so anyway) and well educated, and yet I let myself be subjected to violence partly because of fear and his threats to kill me if I left, but also because I believed at the time that I loved him and he loved me, that he would change, that every time he hit me would be the last, that if I made sure he had enough weed he'd be mellow and wouldn't flip out, that no one else would ever love me etc. etc. etc. The emotional abuse is far, far, far worse than the physical stuff, the bruises etc. heal but the psychological stuff is still with me even now, in fact when Willie and I first got together I once attacked him in my sleep because I was having a nightmare about my abusive ex.

Getting out of an abusive relationship is hard, I can only imagine how much harder it is when you have kids, and I also know from experience after I left Willie when I was pregnant with Maya that womens refuges are drastically underfunded and under resourced (and just to clarify he has NEVER been abusive, I just didn't have anywhere else to go). We need to be able to empower women from very early on in their lives not to get themselves into these relationships, and the only way to do that is by providing support for their MOTHERS to get out of abusive relationships and breaking the cycle.

But would I call 111 if I heard someone being beaten up? ABSOLUTELY! No question about it! Yes in the short term it might make things worse, and she might go back to the abusive relationship the very next day, but the more people that you involve, the more opportunities you give someone to get out, the more chance there is that they will take one of those opportunities and make a break.
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yep tottaly agree with emma havin been in a metaly abuise reliship lucky i relised wht was going on before it could get wrose yep i would ring the cops you never know it might be the one time to get away
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Depends... what we hear may not be the root of the problem

Of course Id ring the police if i knew the story & the background info & was witnessing the act. Not just coz i got a nose on my face.

I believe women stay in abusive relationships because the are to scared of what people may think & say & it sucks when you tell someone & they dont believe you? People are evil!!!
I get help for being a victim of many, many things but its still hasnt reached the root of my problems...
Physically, emotionally mentally abused my whole life form the day i was born. But know me before you judge me!! Discrimination sucks!!
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I agree with glow that something really needs to be done to help the people with the anger problems but I think that the victims need to be taken care of first.
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i had to call the cops on my neighbours on saturday night. They have a newborn baby and are always argueing.
i thought there was an earthquake but it was in fact her trying to get back into the house (we are in a flat which is connected) he'd locked her out!
i was worried that when the cops turned up she was fob them off but she was quite happily telling them to take him away! Hed pushed her down the stairs because she hadnt drained the rice properly! (yes, i left my bedroom window open so i could hear everything!)

2 weeks ago the boyfriends parents turned up after another arguement and he locked the baby in the car and told his parents to drive away, she was absolutley beside herself.

Im just going to keep calling the cops. They interupt my sleep and quite frankly she can be as bad to him as he is to her.



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