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    Posted: 11 July 2008 at 6:36pm
Someone was telling me today that her friend has had her kids taken off her for putting them in time out!!! WTF!!! and when she asked what the deal was they told her it is now ilegal to use timeout but i cant remember the reasoning.....

not sure if i believe it though....

anyone know if it true!???
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Um, that sounds pretty false.
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It is untrue, I'm afraid. It is perfectly legal. Timeout is actually recommended a form a discipline, rather than smacking.


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well if that make that ilegal then our kids are going to go off the rails!
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If they make timeout illegal , then they , whoever THEY are , can quite frankly come parent my child the way it suits them because clearly what the parent wants to do is no longer good enough.
Do they want the morning sickness and the episiotomy as well ??
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What if you put yourself in Time Out. Can they come arrest you for that.

I see time out as a good thing (within reason - ie if you put your kids in TO for all day then that wouldn't be very good but if it was just for a few moments while everyone cools down then thats Ok)
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Originally posted by BaileyandAstin BaileyandAstin wrote:

Someone was telling me today that her friend has had her kids taken off her for putting them in time out!!!

 

I apologise for sounding skeptical but I'm curious to know whether this bullocks was made up or whether you've only got part of the story - I'd be asking where she put her kids in timeout and for how long (i.e. was her idea of timeout locking them in a closet for several hours?)

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my friends mum used to that, literally , she would lock my friend and her older bro and younger sister in the cupboard...surprisingly my friend has very little to do with her mother ....
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My understanding is that any kind of correction by force is illegal, so if your kid doesn't want to go into time around and you carry them there while they kick and scream, technically that's illegal. (if my interpretation is correct!)

Buuuuuut, my feeling is that you have only heard about 1% of the story. No one's gonna get their kids taken off them without there being some pretty horrible things going on and/or warnings given (in the case of lesser things). As in, if the authorities had difficulties with you using time out, they will likely ask you to change and follow up on you later. They only move in swiftly if they are convinced (and can convince the family court as much) that the kids are in some kind of danger.
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actually I heard something about Time out being made illegal too. something about it "restraining a child unecessarily" - not sure...
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so what are you allowed to do ?
by this rate you just have to sit back and allow your child to do whatever they want
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Well that's why I was disappointed that it wasn't clarified better in the first place. I don't want it overturned, I just want clarity.

Here's the actual text for anyone interested:
Parental control (s59 of the Crimes Act)

      (1) Every parent of a child and every person in the place of a parent of the child is justified in using force if the force used is reasonable in the circumstances and is for the purpose of—

            (a) preventing or minimising harm to the child or another person; or

            (b) preventing the child from engaging or continuing to engage in conduct that amounts to a criminal offence; or

            (c) preventing the child from engaging or continuing to engage in offensive or disruptive behaviour; or

            (d) performing the normal daily tasks that are incidental to good care and parenting.

      (2) Nothing in subsection (1) or in any rule of common law justifies the use of force for the purpose of correction.

      (3) Subsection (2) prevails over subsection (1).

      (4) To avoid doubt, it is affirmed that the Police have the discretion not to prosecute complaints against a parent of a child or person in the place of a parent of a child in relation to an offence involving the use of force against a child, where the offence is considered to be so inconsequential that there is no public interest in proceeding with a prosecution.


ETA: And a recent Police report on it which kinda shows that the incidents of these kind of reports aren't that high, but when parents are paranoid things can blow out of proportion. linky

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Originally posted by lizzle lizzle wrote:

actually I heard something about Time out being made illegal too. something about it "restraining a child unecessarily" - not sure...


that is THE most pathetic thing i've ever heard!!!!!!!!!!

god help the next generation...they are screwed!

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Originally posted by caitlynsmygirl caitlynsmygirl wrote:

my friends mum used to that, literally , she would lock my friend and her older bro and younger sister in the cupboard...surprisingly my friend has very little to do with her mother ....


that's really shocking!   

but for some reason, i couldn't help but laugh

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havnt read all the posts, but i do remember hearing an argument at the start of the year i think it was that had been bought up by some organisation that time out was bad and they wanted it made illegal, something about it being unfair to the child and , isolation blah blah

some people have too much time on their hands!
and i bet they dont have kids either LOL

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so really just radeing thru the crimes act thing it actually contradicts itself.


it just makes me mad that a woman (mp SB) who herself has been charged with assaulting a police officer (wheres the respect there????!!!!) and whos kids have been in and out of jail numerous times! wants to tell the good parents in this country how they should be parenting their kids?!

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It doesn't contradict itself at all, it just removes consequential smacking or force.
Time out CAN be construed as force as it is consequential, I think it is a load of BS that someone got their kids taken off them though.
I think the best way that if you feel threatened and want to avoid (dammit no eye rolling emoticon) being a consequential forcer of time out (*rolleyes*) then pick your child up in a hug, carry them to where they are having time out and place them down.
Me, I just tell Olivia to go to her room No touching involved!
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Originally posted by jack_&_charli jack_&_charli wrote:

Originally posted by caitlynsmygirl caitlynsmygirl wrote:

my friends mum used to that, literally , she would lock my friend and her older bro and younger sister in the cupboard...surprisingly my friend has very little to do with her mother ....


that's really shocking!   

but for some reason, i couldn't help but laugh


dont worry , she also told me her mother would stand them in a row and knock their heads together, and i used to have this image of those silver balls on a string, where you swing one and they all knock together , and i would have to try not laugh, probably helps that my friend is so calm about it "oh yes,,,,i remember the days my mother would lock us out of the house in the rain ...but it was ok ! we would play SURVIVOR!"
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PMSL     the kelly!

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ROFL!
funny i pictured the silver balls too!

i remember seeing our neighbour who is a surgeon chasing his son up the road with wooden spoon, the son ( i think we wouldve been 7 or 8) was laughing his head off and then dad caught him and smacked him and O grabbed the spoon and ran to the nearest drain and threw it in and then stood there going "nah nah na na nahhh you cant smack me now" it was real funny to watch

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