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    Posted: 13 March 2008 at 2:39am
I've posted about this before but I am getting so desperate. I just need ANY suggestions of who we can see about this.

So far we've seen:
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Naturopath

My girl has been awake for hours most nights for months. She gets on her hands and knees and rocks and makes a loud "mmm, mmm" sound. She keeps doing this for 1 to 3 hours in the middle of the night, usually from midnight up until 2.30 or 3am. She is wide awake when she does it. We've tried the safety sleep but she just moves her body up and down in it and continues with the whole thing. I know it sounds like a very autistic behaviour but she doesn't do it outside of her cot and is a very socially interactive girl.

I've tried moving rooms & using earplugs but I can not sleep through this. Every night I'm awake for hours first because she is so noisey and then because I am down right freaked out about why she is doing this.

ANY suggestions at all would be valuable. I am so sleep deprived (+ now have concern about this new pregnancy). Tonight is it 2.30am and she has been going since before 12.
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what do all the docs etc say about her behaviour?
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They say it is strange but that there's nothing they can do about it and as she is developmentally on track it must be ok.

She was awake for 4.5 HOURS last night!!!! I have only had 1 hour sleep.
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That's a confusing one.  Not that I'm suggesting by any means that there's something wrong here, but what about e-mailing one of the OhBaby Experts?  I think I saw a Psychologist amongst them - I may be wrong on what her title was, and sorry I can't seem to find them on the site now.  She'll be trained about all sorts of behavioural issues, so in case it is one, might be worth a shot?  Hope you get some sleep soon - sounds nerve-wrecking! 

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Good idea. Scary to think my daughter could need a psychologist though! She has a wonderful home life :(
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have you asked about a referral to Campbell lodge - now Awinitia? (sp?) via your doc - they deal more with behaviours etc and she isnt too young to go....ask doc for a referral s/he will know who i mean.

BTW an idea - and not sure if it is helpful or not...is it worth going in when she starts, picking her up and playing in dimly lit room for ten mins and then doing bedtime routine again? OR goign in and starting her music or whatever she falls asleep to at start of night again when she starts this behaviour?
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Have you thought of video-ing it so people can actually see what she's doing?

I like BS's idea though.
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I think Mel has a great idea with getting a video of her doing it!

I too like BS's idea, maybe a distraction of any sort when she starts it
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Originally posted by Bombshell Bombshell wrote:

have you asked about a referral to Campbell lodge - now Awinitia? (sp?) via your doc - they deal more with behaviours etc and she isnt too young to go....ask doc for a referral s/he will know who i mean.

BTW an idea - and not sure if it is helpful or not...is it worth going in when she starts, picking her up and playing in dimly lit room for ten mins and then doing bedtime routine again? OR goign in and starting her music or whatever she falls asleep to at start of night again when she starts this behaviour?


What do they specialise in?

We've tried various methods of going in or leaving her to it and nothing seems to help.

At the start of then night she simply goes into her go-go bag, cuddles her muslin and goes to sleep. We put her down, say goodnight and leave. She never cries or anything, just goes straight off.
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Originally posted by FionaS FionaS wrote:

Good idea. Scary to think my daughter could need a psychologist though! She has a wonderful home life :(


Now don't you worry about that, I know plenty of children with perfect loving normal home lives who have had to go through a psychologist to sort a behavioural issue. There is no judgement anyone can make from you accessing all the help you need. I just hope they can help you out.
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or maybe try a warm bath or shower with you? have you moved house or anything? it could maybe b a nervous reaction to something?

good luck though hun!
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I could video it. She basically is on her hands and knees rocking her self back and forth (forwards and backwards) and going "mmmm mmmmm mmmmm". If I go in she looks up with a HUGE smile and does increases the volume. The cot makes a banging/rattling sound when she does it.

Last night she also spent about 10mins giggling.
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The other thing is to find out about various sleep clinics - there is one in hamilton for young bubbas, not sure if that would be where you went or if you would go to the general aklnd one. Not sure of anything other than their existance and their success though, sorry!
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Is she definitely awake or is similar to sleepwalking??

Just a thought?
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Most definately wide awake. No doubt about that. If I go in she smiles and laughs and talks.
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With sleepwalking though, people can have completely normal conversations with others. It's really trippy as my brother sleepwalks sometimes and he has no recollection of the conversations and things hes done but you would swear at the time that he was awake.
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Yeah but I'm very sure she is awake. She is really really grumpy today after 4.5 hours awake in the night and will probably need 2 naps I guess.
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It's really hard as I am just so worried. I know worry doesn't solve anything but as a mum, anything that is very out of the ordinary is worrying.

It's really easy for me to blame myself but I know that DH and I are very loving and capable parents and have given Elle the very best start in life in all respects, phyically, developmentally, emotionally, spiritually etc. And yet, I find myself blaming myself and trying to find out what I've done wrong. I keep thinking "it must be something I've did that made her so unsettled as a baby" or "maybe its because of me that she is scared of women" (ironic if you meet me as I'm a mouse!). Or, "maybe I've done something to hinder her development that has lead to this strange night behaviour". I know it's not true though, she has had the very best start in life. If there is something wrong, which their may not be, it is in her body and that is not "caused" by anyone.

I guess I'm just too tired

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A bit of consolation from me i guess. My best friend - when he was young - would go on his hands and knees and rock. He'd hit his head every time he rocked. His parents couldn't figure out why he did it. Docs couldn't either.

He's turned out fine.

I guess im saying don't worry about it. It'll sort itself out and if it needs addressing then theres time later in life. Try and find ways for you to sleep would be more important than worrying about a habit that doesn't harm her.

One other suggestion: maybe she's having too much sleep during the day? Try to tire her out more.
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Thanks Chovynz.   Stories like that help a great deal.

I know worry is stupid...it's just in my nature, especially when it concerns the most impt person in my life :)
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